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Dh says the U.K is f***** and he never wants to go back

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Chippednailtoepolish · 26/08/2026 14:55

These were his words this morning.

We live abroad in a place where a lot of people are coming to live, escaping the uk and America.
He says with everything on the news, the way it's going and what the people coming to where we are tell him, that we'd be mad to return.
Is he being realistic? I want to return to be with family desperately and have a strange feeling that I need to do it soon

Would we be mad to return at this time? If yes, then when!

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Dersie · 30/08/2026 11:26

Gurgletummy · 29/08/2026 21:37

How do you know then @Dersie ?

Im not disclosing anything, not just because I can't but also I'm certainly not discussing anything else with, you as ive previously mentioned 3 times now.
Its ok to be ignorant but not arrogant

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 11:28

Dersie · 30/08/2026 11:26

Im not disclosing anything, not just because I can't but also I'm certainly not discussing anything else with, you as ive previously mentioned 3 times now.
Its ok to be ignorant but not arrogant

Nonsense
Comical fiction

strawberrybubblegum · 30/08/2026 11:45

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 11:12

Evidence?

The conviction statistics by nationality they're trying so hard to hide.

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 11:46

strawberrybubblegum · 30/08/2026 11:45

The conviction statistics by nationality they're trying so hard to hide.

But that isn’t hiding serious incidences?

that is about not wanting to exacerbate racism

strawberrybubblegum · 30/08/2026 11:55

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 11:46

But that isn’t hiding serious incidences?

that is about not wanting to exacerbate racism

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It's not racism to demand that the government should base immigration policy on recorded statistics about offending rates from each country and each different type of immigrant.

It's evidence-based, risk oriented policy-making in the interests of the population.

Which seems a better way of setting policy than the government's current authoritarianism sprinkled in fairytale-inclusivity glitter.

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 12:01

strawberrybubblegum · 30/08/2026 11:55

It's not racism to demand that the government should base immigration policy on recorded statistics about offending rates from each country and each different type of immigrant.

It's evidence-based, risk oriented policy-making in the interests of the population.

Which seems a better way of setting policy than the government's current authoritarianism sprinkled in fairytale-inclusivity glitter.

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But if they release these stats, the likes of you…. Will cause issues, riots, hassle people of certain nationalities because what others have done. Guaranteed. And the government know that.

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 12:02

Basically @strawberrybubblegum the gov Can’t release these stats because you and your ilk can’t be trusted

EasternStandard · 30/08/2026 12:06

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 12:02

Basically @strawberrybubblegum the gov Can’t release these stats because you and your ilk can’t be trusted

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Why use insults?

If they lose the appeal they’ll have to anyway.

And perhaps it will confirm what some think, there’s no difference between groups and crime stats.

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 12:09

EasternStandard · 30/08/2026 12:06

Why use insults?

If they lose the appeal they’ll have to anyway.

And perhaps it will confirm what some think, there’s no difference between groups and crime stats.

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Where is the insult?

The government can’t release these stats because they know that it will result in unrest

EasternStandard · 30/08/2026 12:19

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 12:09

Where is the insult?

The government can’t release these stats because they know that it will result in unrest

They will be ordered by court if they lose the appeal. If they still refuse its contempt of court and it’s escalated to the high court.

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 12:25

EasternStandard · 30/08/2026 12:19

They will be ordered by court if they lose the appeal. If they still refuse its contempt of court and it’s escalated to the high court.

Yes

and I dread the unrest

strawberrybubblegum · 30/08/2026 12:26

In a democracy, I don't think the government has a right to hide the truth from the population in order to control them.

It's what we criticise Russia and North Korea for doing.

Is that really the country you want to live in?

strawberrybubblegum · 30/08/2026 12:27

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 12:25

Yes

and I dread the unrest

The alternative would be for the government to actually change their immigration policy...

Dersie · 30/08/2026 12:29

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 12:02

Basically @strawberrybubblegum the gov Can’t release these stats because you and your ilk can’t be trusted

Edited

Im afraid you are coming across very aggressive and defensive.
I am not privy to media propaganda, neither do I engage in any of their biased twaddle, I wont even watch the news.
Ive based my opinion on why OP should listen to her DH from what i KNOW is to be factually correct.
Nonsense to you, because you are conpletely ignorant. Thats ok. Its your choice.

EasternStandard · 30/08/2026 12:33

strawberrybubblegum · 30/08/2026 12:26

In a democracy, I don't think the government has a right to hide the truth from the population in order to control them.

It's what we criticise Russia and North Korea for doing.

Is that really the country you want to live in?

No, and one day those who don’t want the information released might rely on the FOI system to get something they want to know.

It’s a good, robust system for the public in a democracy.

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 12:38

EasternStandard · 30/08/2026 12:33

No, and one day those who don’t want the information released might rely on the FOI system to get something they want to know.

It’s a good, robust system for the public in a democracy.

Sadly…. There’s a little core of the UK that use stats as an excuse to cause unrest and problems. When the majority of them will likely be unemployed, bored and offering very little in any shape or form to the Uk themselves

strawberrybubblegum · 30/08/2026 12:46

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 12:38

Sadly…. There’s a little core of the UK that use stats as an excuse to cause unrest and problems. When the majority of them will likely be unemployed, bored and offering very little in any shape or form to the Uk themselves

There's also a substantial core of the population who expect democracy to mean that the government don't get to ignore how the majority want the country to operate, simply because the government (and those who most vocally support them) are drawn from an arrogant, elite, self-congratulatory bubble who think that only their own opinions are valid.

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 12:51

strawberrybubblegum · 30/08/2026 12:46

There's also a substantial core of the population who expect democracy to mean that the government don't get to ignore how the majority want the country to operate, simply because the government (and those who most vocally support them) are drawn from an arrogant, elite, self-congratulatory bubble who think that only their own opinions are valid.

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The government don’t want to ignore
but they know the upshot

you will see. It will be horrible

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 12:52

Sorry I have to go now!

EasternStandard · 30/08/2026 12:52

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 12:38

Sadly…. There’s a little core of the UK that use stats as an excuse to cause unrest and problems. When the majority of them will likely be unemployed, bored and offering very little in any shape or form to the Uk themselves

You don’t know what will be released, it could be as some think confirming no differences between groups.

Also data isn’t that motivating.

But overall a democracy with freedom of information and robust courts overrides the reasons to hide it.

You may want to use that system one day.

strawberrybubblegum · 30/08/2026 12:54

Can you really not see how utterly outrageous it is to deliberately hide the truth because you know that if the truth got out, people would come to a different opinion to yours on how the country should be run?Confused

The authoritarianism of the Left never ceases to anaze me.

Walkaround · 30/08/2026 12:56

And if the statistics show that if you come from a war torn or despotic country and have had a lot of trauma in your life, you are more likely to become known to the criminal justice system, is the answer to deny refugee status to anyone who may be a genuine refugee, because they will all be traumatised, damaged people one way or the other, so a far greater risk and expense to society than the average person?

The problem with statistics is that they are the fodder of damned liars who use them to conclude whatever suits their own narrative. Life is not black and white, unless you are an extremist. Statistics likewise - they don’t prove anyone’s argument, they are just more data to interpret or misinterpret, or twist as someone sees fit to manipulate others.

soddingspiderseason · 30/08/2026 12:57

strawberrybubblegum · 30/08/2026 12:54

Can you really not see how utterly outrageous it is to deliberately hide the truth because you know that if the truth got out, people would come to a different opinion to yours on how the country should be run?Confused

The authoritarianism of the Left never ceases to anaze me.

Oh for goodness sake. What are you actually trying to achieve? Be honest. You want people to fear anyone who doesn’t look like them. Well mist of us are tired or this right wing diatribe and just want to get on with our normal multi-cultural, community focused lives. Support for Reform is falling; people are tired of this divisive hatred.

strawberrybubblegum · 30/08/2026 12:58

Walkaround · 30/08/2026 12:56

And if the statistics show that if you come from a war torn or despotic country and have had a lot of trauma in your life, you are more likely to become known to the criminal justice system, is the answer to deny refugee status to anyone who may be a genuine refugee, because they will all be traumatised, damaged people one way or the other, so a far greater risk and expense to society than the average person?

The problem with statistics is that they are the fodder of damned liars who use them to conclude whatever suits their own narrative. Life is not black and white, unless you are an extremist. Statistics likewise - they don’t prove anyone’s argument, they are just more data to interpret or misinterpret, or twist as someone sees fit to manipulate others.

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if the statistics show that if you come from a war torn or despotic country and have had a lot of trauma in your life, you are more likely to become known to the criminal justice system, is the answer to deny refugee status to anyone who may be a genuine refugee, because they will all be traumatised, damaged people one way or the other, so a far greater risk and expense to society than the average person?

Yes.

strawberrybubblegum · 30/08/2026 12:59

The Refugee Convention was created in a different world. It is no longer fit for purpose.

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