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Stopping the boats is easy...

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titbumwillypoo · 22/08/2026 15:47

All we have to do is abandon the ECHR, the Refugee Convention, the UN, the G7, NATO and the WTO. Then we can break maritime law and start sinking the boats. Obviously we'd have to proscribe the RNLI and change the job description of the coast guard to encourage people who want to sink boats to sign up. The fishermen will be fine.
Once we start with this deterrent we can start kicking out other undesirables. I'd start with the students. Coming over here using our universities as a gateway to benefits street. So we ban them, no more student visas. We might see a few universities close but no great loss, you learn more in the school of life.
After that take away access to ALL benefits for anyone not born here. Don't care if you've always worked and paid your taxes you're not ENGERLISH so less Dr Khalid more Dr Callum.
Obviously once we start making Britain Great again there may be a couple of teensy issues. Food might cost a lot more because the lefty EU might not want to trade with a nation that wants to isolate itself and kill innocent people. It'll be fine because there will be 100% employment because instead of benefits you'll have to do your 60 hours on the food farm to earn your pound credits.
Family will be legally obliged to look after any living relative as there won't be anyone left to do it because we deported them all. And obviously the NHS was full of loony lefties who went round caring for people instead of focusing on what really mattered, which is profit.
They're just a couple of the benefits of stopping the boats, because who cares about the bigger picture or unintended consequences eh?
Giving up our place on the world stage is a small price to pay for stopping a handful of people coming from countries we benefited from or bombed isn't it?

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LuckyHazelFox · 28/08/2026 08:30

poetryandwine · 28/08/2026 07:54

Don’t put words in my mouth, or anyone’s. I don’t recall a single entry here suggesting open borders, even for English speakers.

How do you know the religious background of asylum seekers? It isn’t tracked by the British government, the UN, or any reputable organisation. Any ‘statistics’ are unreliable since these do not exist.

Many come from traditionally Muslim countries, and many from sub-Saharan Africa. What is the largest religion by far in sub-Saharan Africa? That’s right - Christianity. This region contains one of the largest, most active and fastest growing Christian communities in the world. Over 60% of the population identify as Christian.

The Muslim dictatorships in particular prosecute those who are not practising Muslims, including Christians and atheists, so a number flee these countries for religious persecution. Some Christian countries are also intolerant.

Both the MidEast and sub-Saharan Africa - the latter largely comprised of Commonwealth nations - do have a cultural affinity for the UK. Many educated Africans and Arabs speak better English than most Britons, many have read widely in English literature, ate knowledgeable about British culture, etc. It does mean a lot.

I haven’t ignored your question. When refugees trust interviewers enough to open up, they cite family, culture, knowledge of history and customs, and language as big draws. Many Africans and other Christians are drawn to the Evangelical churches here, also.

Also in some cases the nations closest to home are equally war torn, intolerant and dangerous (eg to atheists or gay people).

If you are serious about wanting answers you would do better to seek them first hand: The British Red Cross, The Oxford Migration Laboratory and the UN High Commission on Refugees all have video interviews with refugees, asylum seekers and experts delving into these questions. Others too, I am sure.

You really are pushing desperately against Islamist extremism. Christianity isn't the problem. Was it you who selectively worded who the UK was most at risk from?

poetryandwine · 28/08/2026 08:36

NotAnotherScarf · 28/08/2026 08:26

But they never ask that specific question.

I know the answer, its the reason why Dick Whittington went to London. The myth that the streets are paved with gold.

We all know its the reason. The trouble is no one is prepared to admit it. Migrants come here because they think its the land of milk and honey. They believe they will get decent houses, education, health care and that its all free (i know i missed the apostrophe).

And the only way to stop the small boats is to remove everyone who arrives. Ban them from ever receiving asylum in the UK.

The British government has stopped the football hooligan issue abroad by banning specific British people from leaving the country at specific times. The opposite is so easy to do.

Which of these sources have you watched or read?

poetryandwine · 28/08/2026 09:33

themoonandhalfacrown · 28/08/2026 08:09

In the year ending March 2026, Eritrean nationals accounted for the largest share of small boat arrivals (18%), followed by Afghan (11%), Sudanese (11%), Iranian (11%) and Somali.

The religions of these groups are Eritrean 50/50 Islam/Christianity, Afghan Sunni Muslim, Suadanese 97% islam, Iranian Shia Muslim 93%, Somai Sunni Muslim.

Not many from sub-Saharan Africa it seems.

(From House of Commons Library)

It seems that Christianity is rather under-represented.

This says nothing about the religions, or lack of religion, of those who leave - often because of religious persecution. HMG does not publish those statistics.

themoonandhalfacrown · 28/08/2026 09:38

poetryandwine · 28/08/2026 09:33

This says nothing about the religions, or lack of religion, of those who leave - often because of religious persecution. HMG does not publish those statistics.

Well if a country is 100% Muslim then you can be pretty sure that those on the boats are Muslim.
If they wanted to be classed as "No religion" then they wouldn't be there in the first place, because those who leave Islam are stoned to death for apostasy.

poetryandwine · 28/08/2026 09:44

themoonandhalfacrown · 28/08/2026 09:38

Well if a country is 100% Muslim then you can be pretty sure that those on the boats are Muslim.
If they wanted to be classed as "No religion" then they wouldn't be there in the first place, because those who leave Islam are stoned to death for apostasy.

Only if they get caught. That is the point of escaping.

I have Christian friends who are refugees from a Muslim country, granted asylum in the grounds of religious persecution. They presented credible evidence that their lives were threatened. They, and many in their social network, are now upstanding, contributing citizens to the UK.

I guess they are just lucky that their cases were decided on the basis of facts rather than prejudice by people who think they know it all.

EasternStandard · 28/08/2026 09:44

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 23:18

I defo need to know the full story.

So are you defo a no if no restricted movement?

Is there an issue if the men have access to where you are?

themoonandhalfacrown · 28/08/2026 09:48

@poetryandwine "rather than prejudice by people who think they know it all."
I would hope that the assessments are done by Home Office specialists and by factual means.
Why are you intimating that some are not? Do you have proof of that?

poetryandwine · 28/08/2026 09:54

As of a year and a bit ago, there were something over 5000 people in British jails for terrorist offences, imprisoned this century. On the basis of self reporting:

The majority religion is Muslim

Around 3500 are British nationals The next most common nationality is Afghan with under 200 people. The percentage if British nationals in recent years is higher, 70% or more.

Think they are mostly asylum seekers? The most common ethnicity is White, 41%. The next is Asian, around 36%, then Black, around 7%.

Most extremism may be Muslim, but ethnically white British dominate the scene. Home truths indeed.

Another report from The House of Commons.

EasternStandard · 28/08/2026 09:57

It’s all a bit academic. When it gets down to it the majority won’t want Labour’s barracks nearby to them.

Piddington signed a referendum at 96%. It’s a Lib Dem voting place, there’s probably a cross over in demographic with mn where people who post that others are too unwelcoming would quietly sign that referendum too.

poetryandwine · 28/08/2026 09:59

themoonandhalfacrown · 28/08/2026 09:48

@poetryandwine "rather than prejudice by people who think they know it all."
I would hope that the assessments are done by Home Office specialists and by factual means.
Why are you intimating that some are not? Do you have proof of that?

I simply pointed out that you cannot extrapolate from the dominant religion of a country to the religions, if any, of asylum seekers. Religious persecution is a main reason for seeking asylum.

Even within Muslim countries, belonging to the wrong branch of Islam can be life threatening as you must surely know.

Once again, HMG does not publish statistics on the religions of asylum seekers.

poetryandwine · 28/08/2026 10:03

EasternStandard · 28/08/2026 09:57

It’s all a bit academic. When it gets down to it the majority won’t want Labour’s barracks nearby to them.

Piddington signed a referendum at 96%. It’s a Lib Dem voting place, there’s probably a cross over in demographic with mn where people who post that others are too unwelcoming would quietly sign that referendum too.

AB wants to move to dispersed housing. I think that’s a great idea. I know there is some in my nearest city, and a hotel in the nearest large city - problem free so far. My village is small and I would be happy with a proportionate amount of dispersed housing. I think many of us would.

EasternStandard · 28/08/2026 10:05

themoonandhalfacrown · 28/08/2026 09:48

@poetryandwine "rather than prejudice by people who think they know it all."
I would hope that the assessments are done by Home Office specialists and by factual means.
Why are you intimating that some are not? Do you have proof of that?

Tbf there have been incidence of religious persecution not being used properly. The case of the awful acid attack in Clapham.

BasildonBonds · 28/08/2026 10:05

EasternStandard · 28/08/2026 09:57

It’s all a bit academic. When it gets down to it the majority won’t want Labour’s barracks nearby to them.

Piddington signed a referendum at 96%. It’s a Lib Dem voting place, there’s probably a cross over in demographic with mn where people who post that others are too unwelcoming would quietly sign that referendum too.

What was the referendum on?

EasternStandard · 28/08/2026 10:07

poetryandwine · 28/08/2026 10:03

AB wants to move to dispersed housing. I think that’s a great idea. I know there is some in my nearest city, and a hotel in the nearest large city - problem free so far. My village is small and I would be happy with a proportionate amount of dispersed housing. I think many of us would.

I thought he said he didn’t want to become HMO Britain in his first or second speech.

But still, why would you be concerned with mass accommodation near you and no restrictions? What is making you wary of that?

BasildonBonds · 28/08/2026 10:25

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BasildonBonds · 28/08/2026 10:26

EasternStandard · 28/08/2026 09:57

It’s all a bit academic. When it gets down to it the majority won’t want Labour’s barracks nearby to them.

Piddington signed a referendum at 96%. It’s a Lib Dem voting place, there’s probably a cross over in demographic with mn where people who post that others are too unwelcoming would quietly sign that referendum too.

Answering my own question here as I have googled. The Piddington referendum is on declaring independence from the UK.

So you think that those who who don't see every Muslim asylum seeker as the devil incarnate would "quietly sign" a referendum for their area to declare independence from the UK? 🤔

I am guessing you thought the referendum was specifically about asylum seekers. What it actually is is an attempt to get the Home Office to engage with concerns about asylum seekers being housed in the area. Which is absolutely fair enough and should happen. The vote is on September 15.

www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/26495034.piddington-presses-referendum-amid-deafening-silence/

EasternStandard · 28/08/2026 10:28

BasildonBonds · 28/08/2026 10:26

Answering my own question here as I have googled. The Piddington referendum is on declaring independence from the UK.

So you think that those who who don't see every Muslim asylum seeker as the devil incarnate would "quietly sign" a referendum for their area to declare independence from the UK? 🤔

I am guessing you thought the referendum was specifically about asylum seekers. What it actually is is an attempt to get the Home Office to engage with concerns about asylum seekers being housed in the area. Which is absolutely fair enough and should happen. The vote is on September 15.

www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/26495034.piddington-presses-referendum-amid-deafening-silence/

Piddington used a polite referendum and picnics to get press attention. You’re missing the point of it.

It’s a mc leafy area that votes Lib Dem, they wanted a way to get the attention of the press and Burnham. It worked to do that.

Would you be a yes to those barracks nearby to you?

BasildonBonds · 28/08/2026 10:39

EasternStandard · 28/08/2026 10:28

Piddington used a polite referendum and picnics to get press attention. You’re missing the point of it.

It’s a mc leafy area that votes Lib Dem, they wanted a way to get the attention of the press and Burnham. It worked to do that.

Would you be a yes to those barracks nearby to you?

Yes it would be a yes.

I am not sure barracks are the right answer, but we have to house asylum seekers somewhere. There was outrage at them being in hotels. There is outrage at them being in HMOs so what exactly do people want?

There is an ex-old people's home round the corner from me, about three minutes walk from my house, and there are proposals to house asylum seekers there. I have no issues with that.

EasternStandard · 28/08/2026 10:42

BasildonBonds · 28/08/2026 10:39

Yes it would be a yes.

I am not sure barracks are the right answer, but we have to house asylum seekers somewhere. There was outrage at them being in hotels. There is outrage at them being in HMOs so what exactly do people want?

There is an ex-old people's home round the corner from me, about three minutes walk from my house, and there are proposals to house asylum seekers there. I have no issues with that.

Ok great so you’re a yes to over 1000 men waiting for asylum near to you.

Labour should target these areas, they’d get lower backlash.

BasildonBonds · 28/08/2026 10:50

EasternStandard · 28/08/2026 10:42

Ok great so you’re a yes to over 1000 men waiting for asylum near to you.

Labour should target these areas, they’d get lower backlash.

As I said, I don't think barracks are ideal, but you don't want them in hotels, you don't want them in HMOs, so what is the answer? Where do you think the asylum seekers who are currently awaiting processing should be housed?

EasternStandard · 28/08/2026 10:52

BasildonBonds · 28/08/2026 10:50

As I said, I don't think barracks are ideal, but you don't want them in hotels, you don't want them in HMOs, so what is the answer? Where do you think the asylum seekers who are currently awaiting processing should be housed?

Well you either do or don’t want over 1000 men nearby. And if it’s a no thanks as it was for the other welcoming poster you’ll need a way to show that.

You might even want the press to notice. You could take tips from Piddington.

As for where that’s for Labour, I’m sure the smash the gangs pledge will deliver for them instead.

BasildonBonds · 28/08/2026 10:56

EasternStandard · 28/08/2026 10:52

Well you either do or don’t want over 1000 men nearby. And if it’s a no thanks as it was for the other welcoming poster you’ll need a way to show that.

You might even want the press to notice. You could take tips from Piddington.

As for where that’s for Labour, I’m sure the smash the gangs pledge will deliver for them instead.

I am honestly more in danger from the local yoof who ride around balaclavad up on electric bikes.

I bet statistically I am more likely to be run over by one of them than I am of being murdered or raped by an asylum seeker.

So to reiterate, yes if the existing barracks in my town were used to house 1000 male asylum seekers I would not protest.

EasternStandard · 28/08/2026 10:59

BasildonBonds · 28/08/2026 10:56

I am honestly more in danger from the local yoof who ride around balaclavad up on electric bikes.

I bet statistically I am more likely to be run over by one of them than I am of being murdered or raped by an asylum seeker.

So to reiterate, yes if the existing barracks in my town were used to house 1000 male asylum seekers I would not protest.

Edited

Good stuff. As said Labour should use your and similar areas first. It makes sense to target where there’d be lower backlash.

BasildonBonds · 28/08/2026 11:04

EasternStandard · 28/08/2026 10:59

Good stuff. As said Labour should use your and similar areas first. It makes sense to target where there’d be lower backlash.

Absolutely. Fine by me!

EasternStandard · 28/08/2026 11:07

BasildonBonds · 28/08/2026 11:04

Absolutely. Fine by me!

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