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Stopping the boats is easy...

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titbumwillypoo · 22/08/2026 15:47

All we have to do is abandon the ECHR, the Refugee Convention, the UN, the G7, NATO and the WTO. Then we can break maritime law and start sinking the boats. Obviously we'd have to proscribe the RNLI and change the job description of the coast guard to encourage people who want to sink boats to sign up. The fishermen will be fine.
Once we start with this deterrent we can start kicking out other undesirables. I'd start with the students. Coming over here using our universities as a gateway to benefits street. So we ban them, no more student visas. We might see a few universities close but no great loss, you learn more in the school of life.
After that take away access to ALL benefits for anyone not born here. Don't care if you've always worked and paid your taxes you're not ENGERLISH so less Dr Khalid more Dr Callum.
Obviously once we start making Britain Great again there may be a couple of teensy issues. Food might cost a lot more because the lefty EU might not want to trade with a nation that wants to isolate itself and kill innocent people. It'll be fine because there will be 100% employment because instead of benefits you'll have to do your 60 hours on the food farm to earn your pound credits.
Family will be legally obliged to look after any living relative as there won't be anyone left to do it because we deported them all. And obviously the NHS was full of loony lefties who went round caring for people instead of focusing on what really mattered, which is profit.
They're just a couple of the benefits of stopping the boats, because who cares about the bigger picture or unintended consequences eh?
Giving up our place on the world stage is a small price to pay for stopping a handful of people coming from countries we benefited from or bombed isn't it?

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themoonandhalfacrown · 27/08/2026 17:53

@poetryandwine The Manchester Arena bomber was an Islamic extremist.

So was the guy who attacked Heaton Park Synogogue in Manchester on 2nd October 2025

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 18:28

It was just announced on the BBC Evening News that the number of people in asylum hotels has approximately halved from June 2025 to June 2026.. There were approximately 32,000 asylum seekers in the hotels in June 2025 and now there are approximately 16,000.

EasternStandard · 27/08/2026 18:38

Good old Labour missing out accommodation in barracks and HMOs, and people picking up their press release for them.

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 18:48

Allseeingallknowing · 22/08/2026 17:26

Legal immigration contributes to the economy, what does illegal immigration contribute once asylum has been granted? Many go into the black economy. Many go on benefits. Many bring their family over, adding to the burden, and strain on housing, health care, education etc.

Host nations can’t pick and choose, though.

An example can be seen in the UK HE sector. A couple of years ago stricter regulations came in. They had virtually no impact on the very large majority or undergraduates or Masters students. Yet enrolments plummeted, because of the perception that we had become hostile to Overseas students.

Ir is estimated that in less than 2 years we have list £2.9B from the British economy from the loss of these students, and the tuition loss of roughly £500M is a major reason that roughly half of British universities are in deficit.

The immigrants we want, who meet very high standards, are welcome in many places. Why would they choose a country perceived as hostile or cruel? Particularly the many very successful, law abiding ones with brown skin?

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 18:49

EasternStandard · 27/08/2026 18:38

Good old Labour missing out accommodation in barracks and HMOs, and people picking up their press release for them.

Can’t argue with facts.

EasternStandard · 27/08/2026 18:54

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 18:49

Can’t argue with facts.

Well you won’t as it’s Labour’s press release you’re repeating. But you and they have missed barracks and HMOs

LuckyHazelFox · 27/08/2026 18:58

NotAnotherScarf · 27/08/2026 16:56

Ok we are up to page 24 and hundreds of replies. So far no one has answered the basic question: why would anyone be prepared to pay thousands of pounds and risk their lives to come to the UK when they are already in a stable, safe, affluent country?

The two explanations so far are:
They might have family here.

And
They might speak English....so we should open the boarders to the 1.5 billion people who speak English as a first or second language.

Well fuck me I'm sold on it... open the boarders

😆 🤣

LuckyHazelFox · 27/08/2026 18:59

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 18:48

Host nations can’t pick and choose, though.

An example can be seen in the UK HE sector. A couple of years ago stricter regulations came in. They had virtually no impact on the very large majority or undergraduates or Masters students. Yet enrolments plummeted, because of the perception that we had become hostile to Overseas students.

Ir is estimated that in less than 2 years we have list £2.9B from the British economy from the loss of these students, and the tuition loss of roughly £500M is a major reason that roughly half of British universities are in deficit.

The immigrants we want, who meet very high standards, are welcome in many places. Why would they choose a country perceived as hostile or cruel? Particularly the many very successful, law abiding ones with brown skin?

🙄

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 19:04

EasternStandard · 27/08/2026 18:54

Well you won’t as it’s Labour’s press release you’re repeating. But you and they have missed barracks and HMOs

Under 1000 people were housed on military and other government sites as of March 2026, the latest readily accessible figure. Oxford Migration Observatory

The point is that people are indeed dispersed to HMOs and similar sites. Asylum hotels are by far the most expensive housing option, even though they are far from luxurious. The hotels and large government sites attract the majority of comment, because of the critical mass of young men. There is no getting around the fact that this particular problem is being improved greatly under Labour.

The boats are also down 23% in the year to June.

EasternStandard · 27/08/2026 20:17

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 19:04

Under 1000 people were housed on military and other government sites as of March 2026, the latest readily accessible figure. Oxford Migration Observatory

The point is that people are indeed dispersed to HMOs and similar sites. Asylum hotels are by far the most expensive housing option, even though they are far from luxurious. The hotels and large government sites attract the majority of comment, because of the critical mass of young men. There is no getting around the fact that this particular problem is being improved greatly under Labour.

The boats are also down 23% in the year to June.

Barracks are more expensive so the by far part isn’t correct. Plus Labour’s GE pledge wasn’t to just replace types of accommodation.

Would you be happy with barracks near to you?

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 20:23

EasternStandard · 27/08/2026 20:17

Barracks are more expensive so the by far part isn’t correct. Plus Labour’s GE pledge wasn’t to just replace types of accommodation.

Would you be happy with barracks near to you?

Your question is far too generic.

How close are the closest barracks to civilian housing? Where is this? And what are the restrictions on the movements of the asylum seekers housed therein?

Under 1000 asylum (986 IIRC) are so housed. Have any of them been accused of a serious crime?

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 20:25

EasternStandard · 27/08/2026 20:17

Barracks are more expensive so the by far part isn’t correct. Plus Labour’s GE pledge wasn’t to just replace types of accommodation.

Would you be happy with barracks near to you?

What source tells you that barracks are more expensive than hotels?

EasternStandard · 27/08/2026 20:26

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 20:23

Your question is far too generic.

How close are the closest barracks to civilian housing? Where is this? And what are the restrictions on the movements of the asylum seekers housed therein?

Under 1000 asylum (986 IIRC) are so housed. Have any of them been accused of a serious crime?

Are you only ok with it if it’s far away or has restrictions?

If there’s neither, and the men have access to near where you live are you ok with it?

Clavinova · 27/08/2026 21:22

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 19:04

Under 1000 people were housed on military and other government sites as of March 2026, the latest readily accessible figure. Oxford Migration Observatory

The point is that people are indeed dispersed to HMOs and similar sites. Asylum hotels are by far the most expensive housing option, even though they are far from luxurious. The hotels and large government sites attract the majority of comment, because of the critical mass of young men. There is no getting around the fact that this particular problem is being improved greatly under Labour.

The boats are also down 23% in the year to June.

The boats are also down 23% in the year to June

Higher than when they came into office though:

33,000 to YE June 2026
31,000 to YE June 2024

Brazillas · 27/08/2026 21:58

BasildonBonds · 27/08/2026 16:28

Don't try that one with me.

I am talking about the people who spread false information and hate and blame asylum seekers for everything that is wrong in the UK.

The people who have suffered harm at the hands of criminal asylum seekers have all my sympathy. But it doesn't mean I have to mention them every time I post something relating to asylum seekers. Using such awful crimes to try to shut discussion down is quite grotesque.

They aren't everything that's wrong with the UK obviously. But do they cause some issues and the male ones disproportionately attack women

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 23:18

EasternStandard · 27/08/2026 20:26

Are you only ok with it if it’s far away or has restrictions?

If there’s neither, and the men have access to near where you live are you ok with it?

I defo need to know the full story.

BoldBee · 27/08/2026 23:21

I think the discussion should be more widely talked around, rather than blaming immigrants.

  • We know birth rates in this country are falling off a cliff.
  • We have an aging population, the average British age is 41.
  • We have threats of war and resources being targeted and a massively underfunded military.
  • We have mounting national debt, which is only managed by people contributing through paying tax, the debts are never paid, that's a given, but interest has to be.

I feel there is more to this than political ping pong, but it doesn't help us gain clarity as to the true rationale, it's the massive elephant in the room and our communities need answer, a plan and immediate security.

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 23:25

EasternStandard · 27/08/2026 20:17

Barracks are more expensive so the by far part isn’t correct. Plus Labour’s GE pledge wasn’t to just replace types of accommodation.

Would you be happy with barracks near to you?

Barracks are only more expensive because of the costs of converting them and of securing them to a higher standard than the asylum hotels is factored in. The running costs are known to be lower on average.

That means you are comparing apples and oranges.

NotAnotherScarf · 27/08/2026 23:30

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 16:59

I am not sure how anyone could open the boarders? Do you mean that people who live in boarding houses should open their eyes or mouths very wide?

Please at least spell it properly: we are discussing national borders.

Sorry for autocorrect

climbintheback · 27/08/2026 23:34

Just talking about hotel numbers on sky news but did anyone realise since 2018 only 4% of illegal migrants have been returned! I’m absolutely gobsmacked!

NotAnotherScarf · 27/08/2026 23:39

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 17:05

It has been driving me bonkers for many pages now. And this PP has badly and, I would bet, deliberately, misrepresented the case concerning the pull of history, education, acculturation, language and above all, family.

History has nothing to do with the right to live within any country. If it were then surely no one could have any issues with the actions of the Israeli state since 1948.

Language, English is a widely spoken language 1.4 billion, so should we let anyone who speaks it into the UK

Acceleration...most immigrants come from a Muslim background/sub Sarah Africa...so what cultural link do they have with a rather damp (usually) island off the north west of Europe which has a culture based on Christianity, laws based on Christianity, its king is also head of the main Christian Church....so how do they fit with the culture of the UK. One of the major issues with immigration has been the attitude of many immigrants to women and girls.

Family. Sorry no. I am not having it. Just because a member of your family lives somewhere that shouldn't give you the right to live there too...and I very much doubt many of them have such links.

But you willfully ignored my question. Why spend thousands and risk death when you are already in a safe country?

poetryandwine · 28/08/2026 07:54

NotAnotherScarf · 27/08/2026 23:39

History has nothing to do with the right to live within any country. If it were then surely no one could have any issues with the actions of the Israeli state since 1948.

Language, English is a widely spoken language 1.4 billion, so should we let anyone who speaks it into the UK

Acceleration...most immigrants come from a Muslim background/sub Sarah Africa...so what cultural link do they have with a rather damp (usually) island off the north west of Europe which has a culture based on Christianity, laws based on Christianity, its king is also head of the main Christian Church....so how do they fit with the culture of the UK. One of the major issues with immigration has been the attitude of many immigrants to women and girls.

Family. Sorry no. I am not having it. Just because a member of your family lives somewhere that shouldn't give you the right to live there too...and I very much doubt many of them have such links.

But you willfully ignored my question. Why spend thousands and risk death when you are already in a safe country?

Don’t put words in my mouth, or anyone’s. I don’t recall a single entry here suggesting open borders, even for English speakers.

How do you know the religious background of asylum seekers? It isn’t tracked by the British government, the UN, or any reputable organisation. Any ‘statistics’ are unreliable since these do not exist.

Many come from traditionally Muslim countries, and many from sub-Saharan Africa. What is the largest religion by far in sub-Saharan Africa? That’s right - Christianity. This region contains one of the largest, most active and fastest growing Christian communities in the world. Over 60% of the population identify as Christian.

The Muslim dictatorships in particular prosecute those who are not practising Muslims, including Christians and atheists, so a number flee these countries for religious persecution. Some Christian countries are also intolerant.

Both the MidEast and sub-Saharan Africa - the latter largely comprised of Commonwealth nations - do have a cultural affinity for the UK. Many educated Africans and Arabs speak better English than most Britons, many have read widely in English literature, ate knowledgeable about British culture, etc. It does mean a lot.

I haven’t ignored your question. When refugees trust interviewers enough to open up, they cite family, culture, knowledge of history and customs, and language as big draws. Many Africans and other Christians are drawn to the Evangelical churches here, also.

Also in some cases the nations closest to home are equally war torn, intolerant and dangerous (eg to atheists or gay people).

If you are serious about wanting answers you would do better to seek them first hand: The British Red Cross, The Oxford Migration Laboratory and the UN High Commission on Refugees all have video interviews with refugees, asylum seekers and experts delving into these questions. Others too, I am sure.

themoonandhalfacrown · 28/08/2026 08:09

In the year ending March 2026, Eritrean nationals accounted for the largest share of small boat arrivals (18%), followed by Afghan (11%), Sudanese (11%), Iranian (11%) and Somali.

The religions of these groups are Eritrean 50/50 Islam/Christianity, Afghan Sunni Muslim, Suadanese 97% islam, Iranian Shia Muslim 93%, Somai Sunni Muslim.

Not many from sub-Saharan Africa it seems.

(From House of Commons Library)

It seems that Christianity is rather under-represented.

NotAnotherScarf · 28/08/2026 08:26

poetryandwine · 28/08/2026 07:54

Don’t put words in my mouth, or anyone’s. I don’t recall a single entry here suggesting open borders, even for English speakers.

How do you know the religious background of asylum seekers? It isn’t tracked by the British government, the UN, or any reputable organisation. Any ‘statistics’ are unreliable since these do not exist.

Many come from traditionally Muslim countries, and many from sub-Saharan Africa. What is the largest religion by far in sub-Saharan Africa? That’s right - Christianity. This region contains one of the largest, most active and fastest growing Christian communities in the world. Over 60% of the population identify as Christian.

The Muslim dictatorships in particular prosecute those who are not practising Muslims, including Christians and atheists, so a number flee these countries for religious persecution. Some Christian countries are also intolerant.

Both the MidEast and sub-Saharan Africa - the latter largely comprised of Commonwealth nations - do have a cultural affinity for the UK. Many educated Africans and Arabs speak better English than most Britons, many have read widely in English literature, ate knowledgeable about British culture, etc. It does mean a lot.

I haven’t ignored your question. When refugees trust interviewers enough to open up, they cite family, culture, knowledge of history and customs, and language as big draws. Many Africans and other Christians are drawn to the Evangelical churches here, also.

Also in some cases the nations closest to home are equally war torn, intolerant and dangerous (eg to atheists or gay people).

If you are serious about wanting answers you would do better to seek them first hand: The British Red Cross, The Oxford Migration Laboratory and the UN High Commission on Refugees all have video interviews with refugees, asylum seekers and experts delving into these questions. Others too, I am sure.

But they never ask that specific question.

I know the answer, its the reason why Dick Whittington went to London. The myth that the streets are paved with gold.

We all know its the reason. The trouble is no one is prepared to admit it. Migrants come here because they think its the land of milk and honey. They believe they will get decent houses, education, health care and that its all free (i know i missed the apostrophe).

And the only way to stop the small boats is to remove everyone who arrives. Ban them from ever receiving asylum in the UK.

The British government has stopped the football hooligan issue abroad by banning specific British people from leaving the country at specific times. The opposite is so easy to do.

themoonandhalfacrown · 28/08/2026 08:30

@NotAnotherScarf "We all know its the reason. The trouble is no one is prepared to admit it. Migrants come here because they think its the land of milk and honey. They believe they will get decent houses, education, health care and that its all free (i know i missed the apostrophe)."

They are sold this dream by the people traffickers and then when they get here they find it isn't what they expcted. The weather must be a let-down for a start.