Lindsay Clancy was let down

I’m currently off the opinion she did the murder but the ex husband was a narcissist who was having an affair and gaslighting her, making her feel even more alone and crazy.

You clearly haven't watched the trial to say something like "he showed barely any emotion in court" nor heard PC talk about his children in court. It was the most painful thing to watch. I reccomend you watch the trial.

I have watched parts of the trial….i have a job so I can’t watch the whole thing!

I watch this trial live every day. Perhaps hypocritically, I find it abhorrent that it's livestreamed and played on US TV every day because it's such an intensely personal thing for the families to sit through and we are witnessing awful pain, tragedy and loss.

However, livestreamed it is and I watch it because I am so interested in seeing how maternal mental health is described, analysed and treated and also the legal implications of what happens when someone is failed to this extent.

There is currently no scenario in which Patrick will be found guilty of anything. He is not on trial, he is a witness. I don't think people have grasped this very basic legal fact.

The fact that so many women are making up bizarre stories where the husband murdered the children or he was having an affair and that somehow makes him responsible for her strangling them shows there is something very very, very strange going on with many women’s reaction to this dreadful case.

That and the dressing up to demonstrate outside the courthouse and the sickening “Same, Lindsay” tiktok videos.

Like you I watch the trial every night, just because I like complex American trials. In a world of social media and curated stories it's pretty fascinating to listen to real people with real stories. This said (and i know it sounds hypocritical) this is a case of mental illness and it should not be live streamed to the public as entertainment, youtube is making a load of money courtesy of a very ill mentally woman and her broken family and I have a problem with that (yes, hypocritical, I know). Watching a social media platform getting rich thanks to the pain and illness of others is obscene but nothing new. It reminds me of the Roman circus, how criminals and the mentally ill would be thrown into the arena with hungry lions as entertainment for the masses. The emperor in a white robe has been substituted by the tech oligarc hiding inside his Silicon Valley mansion, same emperor, different clothes.

Just to clarify, I’m not including women who are defending LC on the basis of what they believe to be ppp. I disagree that there is enough evidence of this but others clearly feel differently and arguing this case reasonably and rationally is not what I’m talking about as the strange and disturbing reaction. It is the extreme, completely divorced from reality, tribalist and performative reactions which I find really bizarre and worrying.

(This is to clarify my post at 9.59)

I’m sure lots of women sympathise with or have experienced the hell of perinatal depression, anxiety or (more rarely) psychosis, together with the lack of help and/or stigma that makes seeking help hard.

Those women have every right to support Lindsay.

Do you think the prosecution have proved that it wasn’t PPP?

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She has admitted to the murders so she has done it. The trial is to determine whether she goes to prison or mental facility. She is guilty but not potentially criminally responsible if she wasn't in the "right state of mind".

What's the point in that comment? Literally nobody is saying that.

Honestly, your posts come across like all those fragile men I see posting on Facebook so angry about everything women do.

Nobody is saying it's ok for her to have murdered her children. Nobody is asking that she is freed and let to live the rest of her life like an innocent woman. She didn't just commit multiple murders, attempt suicide and then "say some magic words" to make it all ok. She had been begging for help for a long time, from her husband, from her wider family, from MH professionals. If many of those people had done more to actually help her, those children may still be alive today.

Unless you think that she was so wicked, she'd always planned to off her own kids and her years of claiming PPD/PPP were all just part of her cunning plan to get away with it?

But actually, because she is a woman it's the opposite of what you're suggesting. People don't give a shit. And now an entire family is gone.

I don't know why I've put any effort into responding to you, because it's clear where your mindset is, and it lacks any logical thought.

I just hope from the pit of my heart that the next woman who tries to get help in the way she did actually receives it.

Her life is over as she knows it.
She is now paralysed, has to live with the guilt of what she did, has lost her children, her husband, her job, her home and - whether imprisoned or incarcerated in psych ward - her liberty.
There is nothing to take from her at this point.
The only thing for her the trial will give is the validation she was not of sound mind. Even then, she has to live with it. That has to be a worse punishment than anything else, surely.

I agree she was badly let down. Thanks to PPP who have shared their experiences of psychosis, it helps to understand it a bit more.

The only positive outcome that could possibly result from all this is significantly better diagnosis and care for women with post natal psychosis

I am following the trial and the lack of understanding of psychosis from the prosecution is astonishing.

My relative attacked his mother and nearly killed her whilst psychotic. He’d been seen by his psychiatrist THAT MORNING, his mother had raised several concerns during the meeting.

As soon as they got home the attack was perpetrated.

The crime is horrific but there is no evidence that have seen that this was a premeditated crime and those children would be alive if she received the proper treatment.

I find the prosecution in general to be lacking in sophistication. Their line of questioning is so vague and basic; they seem grossly under-prepared. They also should not have brought religion into the court at all.

Agreed.

what are you talking about who is saying it is ok to murder kids

She was taking medication that she will have been assessed for which included antipsychotics she didn't just say a few magic words

my god the ignorance of some on here is shocking

1. I never said PC was guilty of anything.I never said he killed the kids.
2. I agree from the evidence PC could have done more to support his clearly mentally ill wife.
3. I realise this case is not about PC ,rather wether LC is criminally responsible for killing the kids or not due to PPS.
4. I agree we dont know what was investigated in the early days that meant LC is accepted to have killed the kids (i would be very interested to know )I think that we dont know other than a severely mentally ill,over medicated,poorly medically supervised woman said she did. That is exactly what makes people ask questions and speculate.
5. I don think asking questions about any aspect of this case means we detract from the medical failings in post natal and mental health care.

Just thought I'd check in here to see what the Mumsnet consensus would be around LC.

We're very different to the US, and I thought I'd see that reflected.

Quite frankly, I am terrified by what I've read here.

Hang your heads in shame.

Solidarity with Cora, 5, Dawson, 3, and Callan, eight months.

You can have solidarity for the children and recognise that LC was seriously unwell.