Lindsay Clancy was let down

She murdered her 3 children, it should be just a case of deciding whether she spends the rest of her life in a secure hospital or in a jail. I don't really see what all the fuss is about. Stick her in a secure hospital and when/if the docs ever say she is better/healed/no longer mentally ill transfer her to jail.

The one thing that should not happen is that she be let free - because that will encourage every Tina, Debbie and Harriet to use the same defence.

Mate?

Lots of 'mental health professionals' seem to think they know it all.

The fact is she was not diagnosed as ppp and self diagnosis does not count. Thing is whatever illness anyone has they should still be held accountable when they kill children.

Anyway, until the whole thing starts again at least she's detained securely. For now.

I’m not claiming to know it all. However, she showed clear signs of PPP. It was clearly more than depression. It was manslaughter at best imo.

She's not the first to use it as a defence and she definitely won't be the last ☹️ it shouldn't be allowed to be a defence if your nuts enough to murder your kids I don't care what you say is wrong with you you go to jail

Is an 18 minute psychosis actually real? I have had a close relative with psychosis and it took months for him to be back to himself.

Some mental health professionals argue it needs to be one full day for diagnosis, others say it can last minutes to years, it just depends. The diagnostic criteria is also different depending on the type of psychosis.

The two women I know of who had PPP had to be sectioned for months. They were very clearly a danger to themselves and others, including their babies. This is a severe, life-changing disorder and describing it as "a hormonal issue" is minimising the seriousness of it.

Waiting for someone to start an "Alan Hawe was let down" thread and see how long it stays up.

'A diagnosis is often not helpful anyway for the day to day'

What do you suggest then because otherwise all murderers will plea psychosis because well labels are 'not helpful' and it can change minute by minute?

Experts examined her behaviour, they testified that her presentation was atypical/fake. It lasted 18mins never seen before never to be seen after. That is not how psychosis works.

Again, sorry for what you endured with your parent but you keep trying to equate it to this atrocity.

People can have mental health issues, murder children and still be responsible. Google it. Loads of them sadly.

We disagree, that is what happens on chat forums. Try to debate politely though.

Obviously it's a really distressing case but talking to posters like this is really unpleasant.

I don’t think all murderers will be able to plea psychosis. That’s why we have trained professionals who can diagnose presentations!

It seems this case has brought out the “black and white thinking” in a lot of people. We have diminished responsibility for a reason, and that’s what court is there to establish.

'That’s why we have trained professionals who can diagnose presentations!'

Yep and the trained professionals said a psychotic episode does not usually last 18 minutes only, never seen before or after and people do not usually take calls mid episode.

Maybe the husband was an out and out twat.
Maybe she was suffering severe psychosis.

But killing your own children is an abomination whatever the circumstances.
She is a monster.

FFS. 🙄🤦🏼‍♀️No need for this thread. She didn’t do it and I would bet my house on that. A years wages too.

Really? Why didn’t the defence team say this?

And yet her highly paid professional defence lawyers with access to a lot more information than you, accept she did it.

Wonder why?

The improbability of that seemed to be key to the prosecution but LC was intubated and in no condition to be properly evaluated by a psychiatrist for several days afterwards. First responders said she could not talk. She would likely have received sedation whilst the was intubated which would also mask signs of psychiatric disturbance. I don't think it's possible to establish, with certainty, the length of her psychosis, if that's what happened.

Were you experiencing an episode of psychosis when you posted this?

So the children killed themselves? What a bloody moron! She killed them and deserves to rot in a cell

Actually a psychotic episode can last from
a few hours to several months.

Do people not realise that she isn’t claiming to have not killed her children.

This court case is about whether she should be held criminally responsible for her actions, with lawyers arguing that Lindsay was suffering from PPP/extreme mental illness at the time.

Yes we do realise that. It was only the one poster who declared that she hadn't killed them but thanks for the reminder for those not up to speed with this atrocity.

Most of us agree yes she admitted to it but is trying to get off with a very unusual never seen before or since psychotic episode excuse/explanation call it what you will.

You can have mental health issues and still plan and kill children and be absolutely responsible. Google it, it has happened before. Most get found guilty and locked up so no idea why the jurors think Clancy is a special case.

Usually people are at pains to point out that mental health issues don't make someone more prone to violence and they are usually the victim. Yet here we have a woman who was not even diagnosed with PPP and people are jumping at the chance to blame a mental health condition for what she did.

My brother has schizophrenia and I can't imagine him getting an ounce of sympathy like this woman has if he hurt anyone. Is this all because she killed her own kids not other peoples so women don't feel threatened by her?