Lindsay Clancy was let down

I suppose I'm underselling it a little, because Fake Patrick would also need to match Real Patrick's biometric profile due to the Apple Watch tracking. What we probably need is a long lost identical twin who, in adulthood, has maintained biometrics identical to those of his brother.

I do accept there is going to be real egg on my face if the long lost twin is found, and Patrick's extraordinary powers of mind manipulation are established.

I believe the theory is that he (Real Patrick) had a doppelganger (Fake Patrick) collect his mobile phone from the house, drive on some errands (so that there would be extensive evidence that he was out of the house at the time the killings took place).

Meanwhile, Real Patrick murdered the children and successfully implanted false memories in Lindsay's head, convincing her that she did it after hearing voices in her head, prompting her suicide attempt.

Then, Fake Patrick drove back to the house, handed Real Patrick the phone, and then he promptly called the police, while Fake Patrick make his escape.

Are you suggesting he murdered his DC and threw his wife out of the window. Wouldn't she say if this had happened?

And because she did it, of course, and no-one whose brain hasnt been rotted by "true" crime and social media would claim otherwise.

Well, because

they have to follow her instructions, so she thinks she did.

why do they not blame him? Because they don’t have to. They have to prove she didn’t.

nothing else.

Usually people are at pains to point out that mental health issues don't make someone more prone to violence and they are usually the victim. Yet here we have a woman who was not even diagnosed with PPP and people are jumping at the chance to blame a mental health condition for what she did.

My brother has schizophrenia and I can't imagine him getting an ounce of sympathy like this woman has if he hurt anyone. Is this all because she killed her own kids not other peoples so women don't feel threatened by her?

Yes we do realise that. It was only the one poster who declared that she hadn't killed them but thanks for the reminder for those not up to speed with this atrocity.

Most of us agree yes she admitted to it but is trying to get off with a very unusual never seen before or since psychotic episode excuse/explanation call it what you will.

You can have mental health issues and still plan and kill children and be absolutely responsible. Google it, it has happened before. Most get found guilty and locked up so no idea why the jurors think Clancy is a special case.

Do people not realise that she isn’t claiming to have not killed her children.

This court case is about whether she should be held criminally responsible for her actions, with lawyers arguing that Lindsay was suffering from PPP/extreme mental illness at the time.

Actually a psychotic episode can last from
a few hours to several months.

So the children killed themselves? What a bloody moron! She killed them and deserves to rot in a cell

Were you experiencing an episode of psychosis when you posted this?

The improbability of that seemed to be key to the prosecution but LC was intubated and in no condition to be properly evaluated by a psychiatrist for several days afterwards. First responders said she could not talk. She would likely have received sedation whilst the was intubated which would also mask signs of psychiatric disturbance. I don't think it's possible to establish, with certainty, the length of her psychosis, if that's what happened.

And yet her highly paid professional defence lawyers with access to a lot more information than you, accept she did it.

Wonder why?

Really? Why didn’t the defence team say this?

FFS. 🙄🤦🏼‍♀️No need for this thread. She didn’t do it and I would bet my house on that. A years wages too.

Maybe the husband was an out and out twat.
Maybe she was suffering severe psychosis.

But killing your own children is an abomination whatever the circumstances.
She is a monster.

'That’s why we have trained professionals who can diagnose presentations!'

Yep and the trained professionals said a psychotic episode does not usually last 18 minutes only, never seen before or after and people do not usually take calls mid episode.

I don’t think all murderers will be able to plea psychosis. That’s why we have trained professionals who can diagnose presentations!

It seems this case has brought out the “black and white thinking” in a lot of people. We have diminished responsibility for a reason, and that’s what court is there to establish.

We disagree, that is what happens on chat forums. Try to debate politely though.

Obviously it's a really distressing case but talking to posters like this is really unpleasant.

'A diagnosis is often not helpful anyway for the day to day'

What do you suggest then because otherwise all murderers will plea psychosis because well labels are 'not helpful' and it can change minute by minute?

Experts examined her behaviour, they testified that her presentation was atypical/fake. It lasted 18mins never seen before never to be seen after. That is not how psychosis works.

Again, sorry for what you endured with your parent but you keep trying to equate it to this atrocity.

People can have mental health issues, murder children and still be responsible. Google it. Loads of them sadly.

Waiting for someone to start an "Alan Hawe was let down" thread and see how long it stays up.

The two women I know of who had PPP had to be sectioned for months. They were very clearly a danger to themselves and others, including their babies. This is a severe, life-changing disorder and describing it as "a hormonal issue" is minimising the seriousness of it.

Some mental health professionals argue it needs to be one full day for diagnosis, others say it can last minutes to years, it just depends. The diagnostic criteria is also different depending on the type of psychosis.