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Lindsay Clancy was let down

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hds873banana · 14/08/2026 10:47

For those of you who may not know, Lindsay Clancy is an American mother who killed her three children (all under age 5) then tried to commit suicide by throwing herself out of a window, and is now wheelchair bound as a result. Her defence is she was in the throws of post natal psychosis.

You can watch the full trial on Court TV. The trial is ongoing now.

She was totally let down by the system, the doctors, maybe even her husband. I’ve never watched a full trial and been so appalled at what I am seeing and hearing. Kevin Reddington her lawyer needs an award.

It is interesting to me because I have a close relative who I’ve cared for for over a decade who is regularly in psychosis. The lack of understanding of psychosis generally is wild. I My relative can slip in and out of psychosis on a minute by minute basis some days.

I really hope Lindsay’s defence lawyer gets the best outcome for her even though her life is completely ruined whatever the outcome of the trial.

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hds873banana · 03/09/2026 21:23

Gloriia · 03/09/2026 21:21

No, it couldn't happen to any one of us who have given birth.

Yes it could. Your brain is no different to any other brain. Unless you are a robot.

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Gloriia · 03/09/2026 21:24

'Also, since I last checked, men don’t push a human being into the world, rip their balls sack from front to back while doing it, breast feed from their cracked nipples on zero sleep for several years'

Confused

Men may not 'crack their nipples' whilst breastfeeding but they do also suffer with mh issues. Thing is if they kill their kids those mh issues are rightly never used as excuses for what they've done.

Waitingfordoggo · 03/09/2026 21:24

Gloriia · 03/09/2026 21:21

No, it couldn't happen to any one of us who have given birth.

You think you’re immune to mental illness and inadequate healthcare?

Why’s that?

Gloriia · 03/09/2026 21:26

hds873banana · 03/09/2026 21:23

Yes it could. Your brain is no different to any other brain. Unless you are a robot.

I can categorically say I would never have killed my 3dc.

It's like you're suggesting those who are depressed have a green light for committing atrocities?

Gloriia · 03/09/2026 21:27

Waitingfordoggo · 03/09/2026 21:24

You think you’re immune to mental illness and inadequate healthcare?

Why’s that?

Nope. I've experience of those with mh issues, I understand the challenges?

hds873banana · 03/09/2026 21:28

Gloriia · 03/09/2026 21:27

Nope. I've experience of those with mh issues, I understand the challenges?

ah you are so intelligent you know how every person in the world with a mental health issue should and will act. Got it.

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hds873banana · 03/09/2026 21:29

Gloriia · 03/09/2026 21:26

I can categorically say I would never have killed my 3dc.

It's like you're suggesting those who are depressed have a green light for committing atrocities?

That’s because of luck. And nothing else. Your poor children. Hope they never have serious MH issues because they won’t be able to come to you for care and support.

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hds873banana · 03/09/2026 21:30

Gloriia · 03/09/2026 21:24

'Also, since I last checked, men don’t push a human being into the world, rip their balls sack from front to back while doing it, breast feed from their cracked nipples on zero sleep for several years'

Confused

Men may not 'crack their nipples' whilst breastfeeding but they do also suffer with mh issues. Thing is if they kill their kids those mh issues are rightly never used as excuses for what they've done.

Never used 😂

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Gloriia · 03/09/2026 21:52

hds873banana · 03/09/2026 21:29

That’s because of luck. And nothing else. Your poor children. Hope they never have serious MH issues because they won’t be able to come to you for care and support.

Course they will come to me. I will support thrm 100%.

You keep mixing up mental health problems with killing children?

HRTQueen · 03/09/2026 23:00

Gloriia · 03/09/2026 21:27

Nope. I've experience of those with mh issues, I understand the challenges?

Then you should understand the challenges are very often extremely complex and is individual to that person and how their illness impacts them as is the support/treatment they need

Given your previous posts I think you have little understanding of the complexities of mental health conditions

JasmineMac · 03/09/2026 23:43

She clearly had some form of mental torment. I haven't read the details closely, because it's such an upsetting case. Those poor children.

I just assumed she must've been beyond any reason, because why else would she do that? However I saw a quote from one of those involved in the investigation that she'd googled can a sociopath be cured (can't remember the exact wording, but that was the gist), and that made me rethink. She appears to have been entirely unemotional throughout the hearing? I could be wrong on that, because I've only saw still pictures of her. However if she suspected herself of sociopathy, but didn't voice that to anyone, then you can't consider her let down by services?

Missey85 · 04/09/2026 03:21

hds873banana · 03/09/2026 21:28

ah you are so intelligent you know how every person in the world with a mental health issue should and will act. Got it.

She knows as much about the murderer as you do 😂 you just can't accept she's right she's getting all this sympathy only because she's a woman you'd be ripping them to shreds if it was a man

Gloriia · 04/09/2026 06:33

HRTQueen · 03/09/2026 23:00

Then you should understand the challenges are very often extremely complex and is individual to that person and how their illness impacts them as is the support/treatment they need

Given your previous posts I think you have little understanding of the complexities of mental health conditions

Lots of experience of those with mh issues I just will not accept it is ever a reason, excuse whatever you want to call it to commit atrocities.

Rather than cryptic comments about 'previous posts' please try to challenge me on the threads you are referring to? I have a lot of understanding thanks.

warninglivewithoutwarning · 04/09/2026 10:16

hds873banana · 03/09/2026 21:11

I agree. It could happen to any one of us women in this thread who have given birth - and that is terrifying. The doctors failed her. The system failed her. Society failed her. And most importantly they all failed her poor children.

Explain how she was failed? I don’t see it that way

LetterBetter · 04/09/2026 11:59

Gloriia · 03/09/2026 21:21

No, it couldn't happen to any one of us who have given birth.

Lindsay herself may have felt the same way.

Mental health issues can, and do, affect anyone.

But especially post partum women.

Gloriia · 04/09/2026 14:02

LetterBetter · 04/09/2026 11:59

Lindsay herself may have felt the same way.

Mental health issues can, and do, affect anyone.

But especially post partum women.

Mental health issues can and do affect anyone true. I don't dispute that. Everyone seems to be on meds for mh nowadays.

The point is mental health issues <even hormonal post partum issues> should not be considered sufficient excuse for killing children. She knew what she was doing was wrong.

ComtesseDeSpair · 04/09/2026 14:14

Gloriia · 04/09/2026 14:02

Mental health issues can and do affect anyone true. I don't dispute that. Everyone seems to be on meds for mh nowadays.

The point is mental health issues <even hormonal post partum issues> should not be considered sufficient excuse for killing children. She knew what she was doing was wrong.

We aren’t just talking about “mental health issues” here, we’re talking about a very specific mental disorder which is medically documented as capable of causing intrusive thoughts, command hallucinations, and loss of agency. It’s (thankfully) very rare, and ultimately that’s what leads to poor public understanding of it, because plenty of people are thinking of their own or friends’ or relatives’ experiences of more common mental health conditions such as depression or anxiety and comparing those experiences against a completely different and differently presenting disorder they have no experience of.

Saying “I would never kill my children however unwell I was” is a bit like saying “I’d never die from cancer, I’m strong enough to overcome it.” People experiencing psychosis aren’t in control of how their illness presents and affects them any more than people with physical illnesses are. They don’t have the capacity to evaluate their actions as they’re happening. The prosecution are arguing that LC did not have psychosis; they’re aren’t arguing that there’s no such thing as psychosis or that psychosis does not cause command hallucinations and loss of agency and the ability to commit atrocities - even they accept that it does.

LabradorOwner9 · 04/09/2026 14:31

I think people are tying themselves in knots here because they are conflating the legal question with the moral one, and then accusing anyone who separates them of being some sort of heartless monster. They are not the same question.

Legally, Lindsay Clancy's mental state is obviously central. If she was psychotic, that may have a profound effect on her criminal responsibility. Nobody sensible is saying otherwise. Her psychiatric history, her medication, the care she received and what was actually going on in her mind all need to be examined properly. But this idea that merely questioning any aspect of the case means you "don't understand psychosis" is ridiculous. You don't get to say "psychosis" and then expect everyone else to stop thinking.

"I had postpartum anxiety and I can tell you..." - no, actually, you can't tell us what was going on inside Lindsay Clancy's mind because you had a particular mental health experience. I'm sorry, but you can't. You can have sympathy for her. You can believe the medical system failed her. You can believe she was catastrophically unwell. You can believe she should never have been left in the position she was in. Fine. Those are all perfectly legitimate views. But they are not the same thing as knowing, as a matter of fact, that she had no criminal responsibility for killing her children. That's the legal question. It requires evidence. It isn't settled by whoever on Mumsnet can identify with her most strongly.

And that brings me to the part of this discussion I find genuinely disturbing. Three children are dead, and yet, reading some of these posts, you could almost forget that. The overwhelming emotional energy is directed towards Lindsay Clancy: her suffering, her terror, her medical treatment, her poor husband failing to spot what was apparently obvious in hindsight, the doctors, the nurses, the medication, the system, society. Everyone is under the microscope except, apparently, the person who actually killed the children.

Or rather, her actions can be discussed, but only through a very specific lens. The moment you suggest that there might be something that doesn't fit the preferred explanation, you're accused of lacking compassion. I'm sorry, but compassion is not the same thing as unquestioning acceptance. And frankly, some of you don't appear to have much compassion for the children beyond the occasional obligatory "obviously it's tragic that they died", before going straight back to Lindsay. What she must have been going through. How she must be suffering now. How she was failed. How she loved her children.

And yes, perhaps she did love them. Nobody is required to believe that she was secretly some pantomime villain who hated her children. But what exactly is the argument here? That because she loved them, we are not supposed to look too hard at how they died? That because she was mentally ill, the fact that they were killed by their mother should somehow become emotionally secondary to her suffering? That is what I object to. You can feel desperately sorry for Lindsay Clancy and still feel that the children are the people who should be at the centre of this story. I honestly don't understand why that is controversial.

And then there is the husband. Jesus Christ. A man loses his three children in the most appalling circumstances imaginable and some people immediately get to work trying to find a way in which this is somehow his fault. He didn't notice enough. He didn't do enough. He shouldn't have gone out. He said something afterwards that you don't like. He remembered something differently. He moved on too quickly. He didn't grieve correctly according to some imaginary rulebook written by strangers on the internet. Honestly, the desperation to make somebody else responsible for what happened is staggering.

And I think the reason is fairly obvious. Some people have emotionally decided that Lindsay Clancy is primarily a victim. Once you've done that, somebody else has to be responsible for the terrible thing that happened. So let's have the doctors, the medication, the mental health system or the husband. Preferably all of them. Anyone, really, as long as you don't have to sit with the possibility that a woman you identify with could have done something absolutely appalling and that the legal and moral questions surrounding it might be complicated.

Because that's the uncomfortable bit, isn't it? Some people seem to think that if they acknowledge the enormity of what happened to the children, they are somehow betraying Lindsay Clancy or showing insufficient understanding of mental illness. No. You are allowed to hold two thoughts in your head at the same time. You can believe that she was profoundly mentally ill and that three children are dead. You can believe the psychiatric system failed her and think the evidence about her mental state should be tested. You can believe that someone suffering from psychosis may not be criminally responsible in the usual sense without pretending that anyone who has questions about this particular case is an ignorant sadist.

And morally, I think some people really need to take a step back. Because what I am seeing is not greater compassion or greater understanding. It's identification. They see a woman, a mother, educated, professional, struggling, exhausted and apparently falling apart. They can imagine themselves in aspects of her situation, so she becomes emotionally real to them. The children don't in quite the same way. They're three little faces at the edge of the story. An unimaginable tragedy, yes. Very sad. Anyway, back to what Lindsay was prescribed.

And I think that is where some of the discussion becomes horribly skewed. The fact that you can imagine being Lindsay Clancy does not mean you understand what happened. The fact that you have suffered from mental illness does not give you special insight into her mind. The fact that you are a mother does not require you to suspend every critical faculty when another mother does something terrible. And the fact that you feel sympathy for her does not make you morally superior to people who are primarily thinking about her children. Quite the opposite, sometimes.

Because empathy that only extends to the person you identify with isn't actually some great moral achievement. It is the easiest form of empathy there is. The harder thing is to hold the whole situation in your head: to have compassion for someone who may have been desperately ill without turning her into a saint; to accept that the medical system may have failed her without inventing certainty where there isn't any; and to acknowledge that the law may reach a conclusion about her responsibility that differs from your own instinctive moral reaction.

And, above all, to remember that the three children who died are not an awkward detail that needs to be hurried past because their deaths make the preferred Lindsay-as-victim narrative less comfortable. They are the reason there is a case at all.

So yes, examine the mental illness. Absolutely. Examine the medication. Of course. Examine the doctors and the psychiatric system. But stop pretending that sympathy for Lindsay Clancy requires everyone else to stop asking questions. And stop acting as though the people who are most morally deficient in this discussion are those who remember that three children were killed.

Because, frankly, the level of emotional contortion some people are prepared to go through to avoid placing that fact at the centre of the story is considerably more disturbing to me than a few people refusing to join in with the collective absolution.

Gloriia · 04/09/2026 14:52

ComtesseDeSpair · 04/09/2026 14:14

We aren’t just talking about “mental health issues” here, we’re talking about a very specific mental disorder which is medically documented as capable of causing intrusive thoughts, command hallucinations, and loss of agency. It’s (thankfully) very rare, and ultimately that’s what leads to poor public understanding of it, because plenty of people are thinking of their own or friends’ or relatives’ experiences of more common mental health conditions such as depression or anxiety and comparing those experiences against a completely different and differently presenting disorder they have no experience of.

Saying “I would never kill my children however unwell I was” is a bit like saying “I’d never die from cancer, I’m strong enough to overcome it.” People experiencing psychosis aren’t in control of how their illness presents and affects them any more than people with physical illnesses are. They don’t have the capacity to evaluate their actions as they’re happening. The prosecution are arguing that LC did not have psychosis; they’re aren’t arguing that there’s no such thing as psychosis or that psychosis does not cause command hallucinations and loss of agency and the ability to commit atrocities - even they accept that it does.

I was responding to a pp who said 'Mental health issues can, and do, affect anyone'. Do look at the context before jumping in. Plus, she wasn't diagnosed as ppp and experts have said her alleged presentation is bollocks to put it bluntly. Depressed yes, anxious yes, wanting to try to kill herself yes. The voices telling her to do it and magicly stopping? Nope.

No, saying I'd never kill my kids is nothing like saying I'd never get cancer. Obviously. One we have control over the other we do not.

ComtesseDeSpair · 04/09/2026 15:21

Gloriia · 04/09/2026 14:52

I was responding to a pp who said 'Mental health issues can, and do, affect anyone'. Do look at the context before jumping in. Plus, she wasn't diagnosed as ppp and experts have said her alleged presentation is bollocks to put it bluntly. Depressed yes, anxious yes, wanting to try to kill herself yes. The voices telling her to do it and magicly stopping? Nope.

No, saying I'd never kill my kids is nothing like saying I'd never get cancer. Obviously. One we have control over the other we do not.

I was engaging with you as an equal, and assumed you’d be able to draw together the content of your cumulative posts as context, as I did.

We often think of our bodies and our “selves”, as separate entities. It’s what makes neurology and psychiatry fascinating as disciplines (and an ongoing debate in psychiatry, of whether we are treating brain or mind, and whether and where they separate, and what the distinction is.) But our “selves” are located in our brains, which are a part of our bodies. You can no more have control of a psychiatric condition because you believe that your “self” would prevent you from succumbing to it than you can have control of cancer or diabetes because you believe you’d be strong enough to recover.

You believe you’d have control over your actions, because you’ve not had the experience of feeling differently. Some people who have never experienced depression believe that they would simply be able to give themselves a shake and get on with normal life: most people who’ve experienced depression would disagree. You’re correct, LC did not have a PPP diagnosis - hence the trial. But not having a diagnosis yet doesn’t mean that an illness doesn’t exist - also a key aspect of both the trial and the civil suit.

Gloriia · 04/09/2026 16:58

'Some people who have never experienced depression believe that they would simply be able to give themselves a shake and get on with normal life'

Who has said that? What has been said is yes depression and anxiety are mh conditions but they do not make you commit atrocities.

Glad you agree that she did not have diagnosis. It will set an awful precedent if killers can just self diagnose ppp and use it as a get out of jail free card.

Anyway, no verdict so probable mistrial.

EasternStandard · 04/09/2026 17:29

Possibly op, but more than that her children were let down (understatement). As for being released in pp no I don’t think that can happen after doing what she did.

The facility might be different if the jury go for mentally unsound.

likelysuspect · 04/09/2026 17:52

LabradorOwner9 · 04/09/2026 14:31

I think people are tying themselves in knots here because they are conflating the legal question with the moral one, and then accusing anyone who separates them of being some sort of heartless monster. They are not the same question.

Legally, Lindsay Clancy's mental state is obviously central. If she was psychotic, that may have a profound effect on her criminal responsibility. Nobody sensible is saying otherwise. Her psychiatric history, her medication, the care she received and what was actually going on in her mind all need to be examined properly. But this idea that merely questioning any aspect of the case means you "don't understand psychosis" is ridiculous. You don't get to say "psychosis" and then expect everyone else to stop thinking.

"I had postpartum anxiety and I can tell you..." - no, actually, you can't tell us what was going on inside Lindsay Clancy's mind because you had a particular mental health experience. I'm sorry, but you can't. You can have sympathy for her. You can believe the medical system failed her. You can believe she was catastrophically unwell. You can believe she should never have been left in the position she was in. Fine. Those are all perfectly legitimate views. But they are not the same thing as knowing, as a matter of fact, that she had no criminal responsibility for killing her children. That's the legal question. It requires evidence. It isn't settled by whoever on Mumsnet can identify with her most strongly.

And that brings me to the part of this discussion I find genuinely disturbing. Three children are dead, and yet, reading some of these posts, you could almost forget that. The overwhelming emotional energy is directed towards Lindsay Clancy: her suffering, her terror, her medical treatment, her poor husband failing to spot what was apparently obvious in hindsight, the doctors, the nurses, the medication, the system, society. Everyone is under the microscope except, apparently, the person who actually killed the children.

Or rather, her actions can be discussed, but only through a very specific lens. The moment you suggest that there might be something that doesn't fit the preferred explanation, you're accused of lacking compassion. I'm sorry, but compassion is not the same thing as unquestioning acceptance. And frankly, some of you don't appear to have much compassion for the children beyond the occasional obligatory "obviously it's tragic that they died", before going straight back to Lindsay. What she must have been going through. How she must be suffering now. How she was failed. How she loved her children.

And yes, perhaps she did love them. Nobody is required to believe that she was secretly some pantomime villain who hated her children. But what exactly is the argument here? That because she loved them, we are not supposed to look too hard at how they died? That because she was mentally ill, the fact that they were killed by their mother should somehow become emotionally secondary to her suffering? That is what I object to. You can feel desperately sorry for Lindsay Clancy and still feel that the children are the people who should be at the centre of this story. I honestly don't understand why that is controversial.

And then there is the husband. Jesus Christ. A man loses his three children in the most appalling circumstances imaginable and some people immediately get to work trying to find a way in which this is somehow his fault. He didn't notice enough. He didn't do enough. He shouldn't have gone out. He said something afterwards that you don't like. He remembered something differently. He moved on too quickly. He didn't grieve correctly according to some imaginary rulebook written by strangers on the internet. Honestly, the desperation to make somebody else responsible for what happened is staggering.

And I think the reason is fairly obvious. Some people have emotionally decided that Lindsay Clancy is primarily a victim. Once you've done that, somebody else has to be responsible for the terrible thing that happened. So let's have the doctors, the medication, the mental health system or the husband. Preferably all of them. Anyone, really, as long as you don't have to sit with the possibility that a woman you identify with could have done something absolutely appalling and that the legal and moral questions surrounding it might be complicated.

Because that's the uncomfortable bit, isn't it? Some people seem to think that if they acknowledge the enormity of what happened to the children, they are somehow betraying Lindsay Clancy or showing insufficient understanding of mental illness. No. You are allowed to hold two thoughts in your head at the same time. You can believe that she was profoundly mentally ill and that three children are dead. You can believe the psychiatric system failed her and think the evidence about her mental state should be tested. You can believe that someone suffering from psychosis may not be criminally responsible in the usual sense without pretending that anyone who has questions about this particular case is an ignorant sadist.

And morally, I think some people really need to take a step back. Because what I am seeing is not greater compassion or greater understanding. It's identification. They see a woman, a mother, educated, professional, struggling, exhausted and apparently falling apart. They can imagine themselves in aspects of her situation, so she becomes emotionally real to them. The children don't in quite the same way. They're three little faces at the edge of the story. An unimaginable tragedy, yes. Very sad. Anyway, back to what Lindsay was prescribed.

And I think that is where some of the discussion becomes horribly skewed. The fact that you can imagine being Lindsay Clancy does not mean you understand what happened. The fact that you have suffered from mental illness does not give you special insight into her mind. The fact that you are a mother does not require you to suspend every critical faculty when another mother does something terrible. And the fact that you feel sympathy for her does not make you morally superior to people who are primarily thinking about her children. Quite the opposite, sometimes.

Because empathy that only extends to the person you identify with isn't actually some great moral achievement. It is the easiest form of empathy there is. The harder thing is to hold the whole situation in your head: to have compassion for someone who may have been desperately ill without turning her into a saint; to accept that the medical system may have failed her without inventing certainty where there isn't any; and to acknowledge that the law may reach a conclusion about her responsibility that differs from your own instinctive moral reaction.

And, above all, to remember that the three children who died are not an awkward detail that needs to be hurried past because their deaths make the preferred Lindsay-as-victim narrative less comfortable. They are the reason there is a case at all.

So yes, examine the mental illness. Absolutely. Examine the medication. Of course. Examine the doctors and the psychiatric system. But stop pretending that sympathy for Lindsay Clancy requires everyone else to stop asking questions. And stop acting as though the people who are most morally deficient in this discussion are those who remember that three children were killed.

Because, frankly, the level of emotional contortion some people are prepared to go through to avoid placing that fact at the centre of the story is considerably more disturbing to me than a few people refusing to join in with the collective absolution.

Edited

Such a good post.

MintChocCat · 05/09/2026 05:43

Mate @Gloriia I am a Mental Health Professional and I have worked in forensic units. Postpartum psychosis (PPP) is vastly different to postpartum depression (PPD). Citing a link between homicide/infanticide and PPP (not PPD), doesn’t excuse what they’ve done or somehow justify their actions, it’s simply citing a risk. In the same way someone poses a homicide risk with schizoaffecrive disorder or another psychiatric condition.

PPD is a very serious psychiatric condition. I think Lindsay needed inpatient treatment. The fact she wasn’t sleeping was very concerning and has been known to worsen mental health, especially delusions.

Lindsay Clancy was let down
waitinginwonderland · 05/09/2026 06:00

Gloriia · 04/09/2026 14:02

Mental health issues can and do affect anyone true. I don't dispute that. Everyone seems to be on meds for mh nowadays.

The point is mental health issues <even hormonal post partum issues> should not be considered sufficient excuse for killing children. She knew what she was doing was wrong.

Excuses and reasons are different. Psychosis isn’t an excuse. She isn’t pleading not guilty. It’s a reason that means hospitalisation is probably more appropriate than prison.