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Lindsay Clancy was let down

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hds873banana · 14/08/2026 10:47

For those of you who may not know, Lindsay Clancy is an American mother who killed her three children (all under age 5) then tried to commit suicide by throwing herself out of a window, and is now wheelchair bound as a result. Her defence is she was in the throws of post natal psychosis.

You can watch the full trial on Court TV. The trial is ongoing now.

She was totally let down by the system, the doctors, maybe even her husband. I’ve never watched a full trial and been so appalled at what I am seeing and hearing. Kevin Reddington her lawyer needs an award.

It is interesting to me because I have a close relative who I’ve cared for for over a decade who is regularly in psychosis. The lack of understanding of psychosis generally is wild. I My relative can slip in and out of psychosis on a minute by minute basis some days.

I really hope Lindsay’s defence lawyer gets the best outcome for her even though her life is completely ruined whatever the outcome of the trial.

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allthingsinmoderation · 01/09/2026 14:27

toiletpaperthief · 01/09/2026 13:48

She had a history of psichotic outbreaks and she was taking medication for it (amongst benzos of all sorts to calm her anxiety), she had warned loved ones about "wanting to hurt her kids". My question is: was she or was she not going through an episode when she killed her kids? that's the jurys dilema.

True: The burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove beyond a doubt that she wasnt (not on the defence to prove that she was)
I dont think the prosecution proved she wasnt,so i have doubt.
If 1 person on the jury has doubt the jury will be hung/mistrial

likelysuspect · 01/09/2026 14:46

Marroon · 01/09/2026 13:53

Can you link evidence that she refused inpatient treatment repeatedly? I’ve only seen an occasion where she was turned away for inpatient care because she didn’t meet the criteria, not that she was offered several times but refused.

She attended the A+E at the local hospital and they recommended she be committed but she and her husband didnt want that/didnt feel it was needed so she wasnt admitted there.

She was then eventually admitted for that one stay thats on record but was discharged after saying she felt better, she wanted to be at home and I think there was a birthday coming up for one of the kids.

Its not quite right to say she was repeatedly turned away or was just chucked out, and not quite right to say she was repeatedly offered inpatient care either.

WiltedLettuce · 01/09/2026 15:12

likelysuspect · 01/09/2026 14:46

She attended the A+E at the local hospital and they recommended she be committed but she and her husband didnt want that/didnt feel it was needed so she wasnt admitted there.

She was then eventually admitted for that one stay thats on record but was discharged after saying she felt better, she wanted to be at home and I think there was a birthday coming up for one of the kids.

Its not quite right to say she was repeatedly turned away or was just chucked out, and not quite right to say she was repeatedly offered inpatient care either.

Agree. It's a difficult situation since the social and internal pressures are so great on parents to parent, or at least mothers to mother. You're meant to be caring for your kids... if you're not doing that and someone else has to do it instead, you're failing. Not the same thing, but there are numerous posts on here by mothers struggling with the practicalities and emotions involved in leaving their babies/children for even a day, let alone a long term stay in hospital.

LC's diary entries describe her guilt and despair at 'failing' at parenting. I imagine that was made worse for her by being away from her children and she thought she just had to get home and get on with things. I imagine there was a bit of family pressure this way as well... I'm not suggesting that they were unsupportive but it puts a lot of pressure on the other parent and wider family if the main caregiver is absent so it's likely that there was subtle pressure at least on her to appear to be 'coping' and get back to parenting. It's not enough to say 'she was offered help and didn't take it'. You could say that about many people who forgo or postpone essential medical treatment because of caring responsibilities.

warninglivewithoutwarning · 03/09/2026 09:25

I have to question why she’s even going through a trial to defend herself. Even if she didn’t mean to murder her three children, she still did and she should want to be punished for it. Whatever the circumstances.

hds873banana · 03/09/2026 09:46

warninglivewithoutwarning · 03/09/2026 09:25

I have to question why she’s even going through a trial to defend herself. Even if she didn’t mean to murder her three children, she still did and she should want to be punished for it. Whatever the circumstances.

🙄 I can see you’ve taken into consideration all the important mental health and resultant behavioural consequences in your comment. Not.

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warninglivewithoutwarning · 03/09/2026 09:46

hds873banana · 03/09/2026 09:46

🙄 I can see you’ve taken into consideration all the important mental health and resultant behavioural consequences in your comment. Not.

I have. There is nothing that can mitigate what happened.

warninglivewithoutwarning · 03/09/2026 09:47

You really want people thinking women are incapable of controlling their emotions and behaviours because of hormones again?

allthingsinmoderation · 03/09/2026 10:09

warninglivewithoutwarning · 03/09/2026 09:46

I have. There is nothing that can mitigate what happened.

If you disagree that "a disease or defect " ie :psychosis is a defence in law regarding criminal responsibility you will have to change the law.

warninglivewithoutwarning · 03/09/2026 10:10

I don’t think she was in psychosis

allthingsinmoderation · 03/09/2026 10:10

warninglivewithoutwarning · 03/09/2026 09:25

I have to question why she’s even going through a trial to defend herself. Even if she didn’t mean to murder her three children, she still did and she should want to be punished for it. Whatever the circumstances.

I think she will be punished no matter what the jurys decision.

warninglivewithoutwarning · 03/09/2026 10:11

I don’t understand why she wanted a trial. She could have pleaded guilty

allthingsinmoderation · 03/09/2026 10:19

11AndCounting · 31/08/2026 21:07

It is undisputed that she was very unwell - the prosection agree as much. What is in dispute is whether she remained sufficiently lucid to remain criminally culpable.

I.e. - was she:

(1) experiencing severe anxiety, depression and suicidal ideation, but remained in control of her actions; or

(2) was she suffering from psychosis and lacked control/capacity.

Like you (seemingly), I think it's likely the former and that there should be a conviction.

But I don't think comparing it to the archetypal male anger/malice cases is very helpful, where mental capacity isn't even in question - its usually just an extension of a pattern of abuse and violence.

I can think she's probably guilty and yet not equivalent to someone who killed their kids out of sheer vindictive rage - i.e., most men who commit similar acts.

I can understand you thoughts on this but disagree because we have to decide "beyond a doubt" rather than "probably".
The burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that LC wasnt sufferrng a disease or defect ie:psychosis at the time of the killings that rendered her not criminally responsible, I don think they did that,i have doubt. I think the jury reflect society and our differing opinions.
I agree regarding the male comparison having differences,although some male cases are mitigated by psychosis.

11AndCounting · 03/09/2026 17:00

allthingsinmoderation · 03/09/2026 10:19

I can understand you thoughts on this but disagree because we have to decide "beyond a doubt" rather than "probably".
The burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that LC wasnt sufferrng a disease or defect ie:psychosis at the time of the killings that rendered her not criminally responsible, I don think they did that,i have doubt. I think the jury reflect society and our differing opinions.
I agree regarding the male comparison having differences,although some male cases are mitigated by psychosis.

I hadn't appreciated that Massachusetts has atypical laws on the burden of proof surrounding the "insanity" defence. In the context of it's laws, I do agree your assessment. Would be different in the UK or most other US states, but those ain't the rules for this case.

LetterBetter · 03/09/2026 17:11

hds873banana · 03/09/2026 09:46

🙄 I can see you’ve taken into consideration all the important mental health and resultant behavioural consequences in your comment. Not.

It's really shocking to see other womem tearing her down like she's some sort of serial killer that took delight in what happened.

Poor woman was failed. I feel so sorry for her. With the right support and help, this wouldn't have happened.

She was so concerned about being a good mum - by everyone's accounts, she was very devoted to her kids. She loved them so much. That's the real, genuine her.

allthingsinmoderation · 03/09/2026 17:46

11AndCounting · 03/09/2026 17:00

I hadn't appreciated that Massachusetts has atypical laws on the burden of proof surrounding the "insanity" defence. In the context of it's laws, I do agree your assessment. Would be different in the UK or most other US states, but those ain't the rules for this case.

Is it somewhat unusual add to that the need for a unanimous verdict means its likely to be a hung jury/mistrial. Its a tragic case and i understand why people are passionate and conflicted.

warninglivewithoutwarning · 03/09/2026 17:47

LetterBetter · 03/09/2026 17:11

It's really shocking to see other womem tearing her down like she's some sort of serial killer that took delight in what happened.

Poor woman was failed. I feel so sorry for her. With the right support and help, this wouldn't have happened.

She was so concerned about being a good mum - by everyone's accounts, she was very devoted to her kids. She loved them so much. That's the real, genuine her.

I don’t think you’d be so empathetic to a man.

ComtesseDeSpair · 03/09/2026 17:53

warninglivewithoutwarning · 03/09/2026 09:25

I have to question why she’s even going through a trial to defend herself. Even if she didn’t mean to murder her three children, she still did and she should want to be punished for it. Whatever the circumstances.

It depends how you view justice and what you define it as. Is it justice to plead guilty to a crime you didn’t commit? Is it justice to be punished as if you committed a crime when you didn’t?

She / her defense, do not believe that she’s guilty of murder, hence not pleading it. Her defense was advocating for a stipulation that she killed her children but was not criminally responsible due to severely impaired mental state. This was refused, hence the trial.

hds873banana · 03/09/2026 21:07

warninglivewithoutwarning · 03/09/2026 09:47

You really want people thinking women are incapable of controlling their emotions and behaviours because of hormones again?

Because of severe mental health issues and total psychological breakdown brought on by the side effects of countless brain chemistry changing medication. Don’t pretend to misunderstand - it doesn’t suit you.

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Gloriia · 03/09/2026 21:10

'She had a history of psichotic outbreaks'

Was she ever diagnosed with ppp? Her alleged psychosis was atypical/fake as many experts have said. There wasn't any witnessed psychotic episodes.

I don't dispute she had mh issues but so do many people. Many people are up to their eyeballs on meds for depression and anxiety, meds to make them sleep etc. The point is they don't kill their children. Well, depressed family annihilators do.

hds873banana · 03/09/2026 21:11

LetterBetter · 03/09/2026 17:11

It's really shocking to see other womem tearing her down like she's some sort of serial killer that took delight in what happened.

Poor woman was failed. I feel so sorry for her. With the right support and help, this wouldn't have happened.

She was so concerned about being a good mum - by everyone's accounts, she was very devoted to her kids. She loved them so much. That's the real, genuine her.

I agree. It could happen to any one of us women in this thread who have given birth - and that is terrifying. The doctors failed her. The system failed her. Society failed her. And most importantly they all failed her poor children.

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hds873banana · 03/09/2026 21:14

Gloriia · 03/09/2026 21:10

'She had a history of psichotic outbreaks'

Was she ever diagnosed with ppp? Her alleged psychosis was atypical/fake as many experts have said. There wasn't any witnessed psychotic episodes.

I don't dispute she had mh issues but so do many people. Many people are up to their eyeballs on meds for depression and anxiety, meds to make them sleep etc. The point is they don't kill their children. Well, depressed family annihilators do.

Oh here Gloriia is again with their annihilator obsession. Can’t you find more variety in your vocabulary. It’s getting boring. We get it. You like to use the word ‘family annihilator’. Do you work for the DailyMail?

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likelysuspect · 03/09/2026 21:19

LetterBetter · 03/09/2026 17:11

It's really shocking to see other womem tearing her down like she's some sort of serial killer that took delight in what happened.

Poor woman was failed. I feel so sorry for her. With the right support and help, this wouldn't have happened.

She was so concerned about being a good mum - by everyone's accounts, she was very devoted to her kids. She loved them so much. That's the real, genuine her.

No one is tearing her down and taking delight in what happened. You seem to be another one, like the OP who is making things up about what people are saying

No one has said she wasnt ill. That is not the same as saying she was not responsible for what happened. Its very likely that it affected her choices. But again its not the same as saying she was not responsble for it. The jury will decide if they do feel she wasnt responsible. Other than that, her illness is a mitigating factor and no more.

Three children lost their lives, yet so much focus on her.

Gloriia · 03/09/2026 21:20

hds873banana · 03/09/2026 21:14

Oh here Gloriia is again with their annihilator obsession. Can’t you find more variety in your vocabulary. It’s getting boring. We get it. You like to use the word ‘family annihilator’. Do you work for the DailyMail?

It is what many people call someone who kills their children.

You are so desperate to excuse what she did, blame it all on 'failings by hcps'.

Lots of people have mh issues. They don't kill their dc, unless it's a planned annihilation of course.

Men don't get let off because theyre allegedly 'psychotic'.

hds873banana · 03/09/2026 21:21

warninglivewithoutwarning · 03/09/2026 17:47

I don’t think you’d be so empathetic to a man.

Men generally kill their own children to spite a wife/spouse that has left and as control over a wife/spouse. Women don’t.

Also, since I last checked, men don’t push a human being into the world, rip their balls

sacks from front to back while doing it, breast feed from their cracked nipples on zero sleep for several years, or act as the primary care giver, whilst experiencing rapid peak and troughs in their sex hormones, brain chemistry, dopamine or serotonin, whilst being ignored by a medical system keen to label them as ‘just depressed’ whenever they try to get help.

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Gloriia · 03/09/2026 21:21

hds873banana · 03/09/2026 21:11

I agree. It could happen to any one of us women in this thread who have given birth - and that is terrifying. The doctors failed her. The system failed her. Society failed her. And most importantly they all failed her poor children.

No, it couldn't happen to any one of us who have given birth.