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AIBU to want a different Universal Credit work coach?

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QuestioningEverythingNow · Today 12:19

dons hard hat in advance

I have always worked and have been a solid earner but have been recently told formally (writing was arguably on the wall a few months before) that my job is being outsourced to a combination of a cheaper service centre outside the UK and AI. As I said I saw it coming but assumed I would be able to get a new job quickly or that an exit package would be offered. That has not happened.

I have been looking while still employed, but the job market has handed it's arse to me and it is clear that I will struggle to find a new role quickly. I therefore went to the Job Centre to claim UC from when my employment ends.

My AIBU is that I have NO faith in the work coach that I have been allocated.
She literally struggled to navigate the basic sign up process - not clicking in the right place, not recognising where a response was required, not seeing where answers were already answered so clicking "back" instead of "next". What should have been a 30 min ID check took almost an hour. She doesn't have great typing skills so lots of typo errors when filling in fields etc. I ended up asking her to face the screen towards me and pointing out typos, missed fields, incorrect selections from drop downs etc. No issue with it being collaborative, some people aren't great with typing on screens etc.

This is not personal - I have nothing against her. I just don't think this person is going to be helpful to me in my very urgent job hunt. I have to see her every week which I have no issue with but I just don't have much faith in how she will actually help me and I am DESPERATE - I am job-hunting almost constantly - I am so stressed - I am doing my own searches and applications, sweating my network, applying to anything (not just in my field) etc.

I have never claimed before, never thought I would have to but here I am. I have no issue with her personally but I just can't see how she is going to be helpful when she doesn't seem that capable on a basic ID check and seemed to have zero experience or awareness of my job and what roles would be suitable. My job is basic - I am an accountant, nothing at all to write home about. She kept suggesting applications to things far outside my remit and that I am not qualified for eg SEN teaching assistants, delivery driving (I don't have access to a car) etc.

Is it possible to request a different work coach? At the moment, I can't see how we will work well together.

Is that entitled given that I am seeking to claim benefits, and am fully aware that I am quite privileged that this is an option in itself, something I am very aware of. Perhaps ashamed as well.

I could be panicking/catastrophising so am braving AIBU for more balanced views.

I will attend the next appointment and be polite and engaged - I just wondered if it would be better to switch coach sooner rather than later. Is that possible? Any suggestions, shared experiences, guidance would be so appreciated.

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Teenagerantruns · Today 12:23

To be honest the last two times l was unemployed the work coach did nothing, they just check you are applying for jobs, or try and get you to apply for random jobs on thier system.
I dont think l they can actually help you get a job as an accountant.
Edited to add they expect you to apply for any job you could possibly do, not just one you want to do.

Pickledonion1999 · Today 12:41

To be honest they don't do that much anyway although my son's has put him on courses to help apply for jobs. I'm not sure why you've signed up so early as if you have final wages from your current job still to be paid that will possibly wipe out any UC payment for the first month unless you would currently qualify for UC but just haven't claimed up until now? Or have you just signed up for now for the job search help? I suspect with the thousands being made redundant right now , the DWP have taken on lots of new work coaches and they are still not fully up to speed with the job.

TheCountessofLocksley · Today 12:41

If it has been agreed on your Claimant Commitment you can restrict your jobsesrch to your usual line of work for 4weeks max from the date of your claim. After that (or if no restriction aka a permitted period has been agreed) you have to look for and apply for any job you can do (rather than want to do/would chose to do).

The work coach role is just as much about (if not more) enforcement/managing compliance and sanctions as it an advisory role. The onus is on you to take active steps to apply for anything you can do (within agreed restrictions) and get yourself off benefits.

Sadly, you need to lower your expectations of what your work coach can do to help you. There is no problem asking for a different advisor, but there is no guarantee they will be any better.

Pickledonion1999 · Today 12:46

Just to add I'm not even sure whether these work coaches are calling people into the job centre regularly. My new graduate son claimed UC in June, he has only had a couple of appointments with a work coach. He has found a part time job but they won't know that yet as he hasn't been paid yet but even since he has been working very part time they've barely called him in to hassle him to look for more hours. I just get the impression the whole system is overwhelmed with so many new claimants.

MotherPooperior · Today 12:48

You might as well stick with her.

"Work coach" is a misnomer tbh. She's just there to process your claim at the start, and then to hassle you to find a job. Maybe send you on some extremely basic courses if you don't find a job fast enough. She is never going to actually help you find work!

Darragon · Today 12:56

You’re an accountant? At this point why wouldn’t you just start your own business, tide yourself over with a business loan to cover staffing (i.e. your salary), and specialise in an area e.g. accounting for trades that will get you found on Google? If you really want to work for the man, you already know what roles you can do (payroll, bookeeping, financial admin, accountancy, accounts administrator, Exec Assistant with financial reporting etc). Sign up to some agencies! Get your CV searchable on Indeed as well as applying for jobs there. The job centre isn’t an employment agency, it’s a way to get people off benefits by any means necessary. Why would you possibly need the help of a work coach who at best is basically a clueless administrator on minimum wage?

PatCliftonspostbag · Today 13:05

Is this person definitely your work coach ? At a lot of jobcentre's the ID appointment is done by a different person.
Have you had your First Commitments appointment yet?

QuestioningEverythingNow · Today 13:11

Teenagerantruns · Today 12:23

To be honest the last two times l was unemployed the work coach did nothing, they just check you are applying for jobs, or try and get you to apply for random jobs on thier system.
I dont think l they can actually help you get a job as an accountant.
Edited to add they expect you to apply for any job you could possibly do, not just one you want to do.

Edited

Thanks. Understood re: apply for any job - I am of the same mindset - I am really desperate. But I can't be a SEN teacher?!

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QuestioningEverythingNow · Today 13:13

PatCliftonspostbag · Today 13:05

Is this person definitely your work coach ? At a lot of jobcentre's the ID appointment is done by a different person.
Have you had your First Commitments appointment yet?

Yes she is definitely my work coach - I had ID check then first commitments and she is the one sending me the jobs that I don't think have any relation to what I can do.

I am definitely at the "any job rather than no job" - I can do cleaning, babysitting (have DBS and paediatric first aid from combo of my own kids and volunteering at other places) but delivery driving as a suggestion when I don't have access to a vehicle - what should I say to that?

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Pickledonion1999 · Today 13:15

QuestioningEverythingNow · Today 13:13

Yes she is definitely my work coach - I had ID check then first commitments and she is the one sending me the jobs that I don't think have any relation to what I can do.

I am definitely at the "any job rather than no job" - I can do cleaning, babysitting (have DBS and paediatric first aid from combo of my own kids and volunteering at other places) but delivery driving as a suggestion when I don't have access to a vehicle - what should I say to that?

Any option to learn to drive ? It could possibly open up a lot more roles. I am really pushing my ds who is on UC to learn to drive despite him seeming a bit reluctant because currently he's pretty restricted in his job search.

PoliteSquid · Today 13:16

They are definitely not work ‘coaches’
As others have said coaching in this context the coaching amounts to nagging you to apply for any old shite.

My DS’s cancels on him quite often and he doesn’t even have the hassle of going to see them!

QuestioningEverythingNow · Today 13:20

Darragon · Today 12:56

You’re an accountant? At this point why wouldn’t you just start your own business, tide yourself over with a business loan to cover staffing (i.e. your salary), and specialise in an area e.g. accounting for trades that will get you found on Google? If you really want to work for the man, you already know what roles you can do (payroll, bookeeping, financial admin, accountancy, accounts administrator, Exec Assistant with financial reporting etc). Sign up to some agencies! Get your CV searchable on Indeed as well as applying for jobs there. The job centre isn’t an employment agency, it’s a way to get people off benefits by any means necessary. Why would you possibly need the help of a work coach who at best is basically a clueless administrator on minimum wage?

My experience and career of over 15 years is in financial services and large corporations. I cannot start my own business with no capital. Accounting for trades I have done before as a side hussle but at the moment most Tradies outsource their financial admin to their partners (this sounds awful written out) and will not pay me for that their wives are already doing (book keeping, tax returns etc_. I have signed up to many many many many agencies - MANY.

I didn't expect the job centre to be an employment agency but as I have to attend once a week for up to an hour at a time it seems futile if the lady can't even comprehend what I am saying.

I was asking if it is possible to ask for someone else. Not to avoid the process, but just to ask for someone else who seems more aware of what my situation is.

"Why would you possibly need the help of a work coach who at best is basically a clueless administrator on minimum wage?"

Wow. Your comment is really brutal. I don't NEED the help of a work coach, but it is a requirement for me to be able to claim some money for me to sustain myself and my 2 DC. I respect that itself is a privilege so I am trying to do what they ask.

I have looked and found jobs all my life but as I said in my OP - the market is dire - it is shockingly bad. I am over qualified for most things and replaced by AI or automation in most others.

I don't think you perhaps understand this - I am not just a bleating sheep feeling sorry for myself - this is actually a huge shock to me. I have always been employable, I have qualifications, work experience, common sense etc. This situation is not anything I could have imagined.

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Pickledonion1999 · Today 13:20

PoliteSquid · Today 13:16

They are definitely not work ‘coaches’
As others have said coaching in this context the coaching amounts to nagging you to apply for any old shite.

My DS’s cancels on him quite often and he doesn’t even have the hassle of going to see them!

When my ds signed up in June I said to him that he would have weekly appointments and they would really hassle him but they've barely given him any appointments and certainly no hassling ! Maybe just overwhelmed with numbers?

dizzydizzydizzy · Today 13:22

I can understand your concern. I had a work coach who never replied to my messages and claimed to have called me (we had a telephone appointment) but I had no missed calls. I messsged her 10 minutes after the appointment to ask if the appointment was going ahead - and got not reply. I messaged later the same day letting her know of my availability over the next week - again nothing. I filed a formal complaint and asked for a new work coach and got one. Incidentally if you do need to complain, the DWP does have an official form for this but it is hard to find. I had to get chatGPT to find it. The complaint was actually dealt with very quickly and reasonably.

In the meantime, you could ask her manager to call you and then ask informally to swap to a different coach. But yes as others have said, work coach is probably a misnomer. I had to complain to the Job Centre about something else and the manager did phone although I didn’t get much joy even though I think they were actually breaking the law.

The Job Centre is pretty useless IMHO. When I booked in, I asked them if there was an extra benefit for disabled people - they said no. There is one and I receive it. I should have complained about that too. Luckily, I found out about it a week or two later.

topcat2014 · Today 13:25

I'm an accountant who lost a job last year sacked :( but, like the OP, not from a practice background.

I would love to move to doing "the books" for small businesses, but, these days the costs of compliance insurance and software would be at least £3k per year.

I'm now back in manufacturing. Lower level, but zero stress.

OriginalUsername2 · Today 13:26

Your “work coach” is basically there to make sure you are looking for work and sanction you if it appears you’re not. They might give you some profound advice such as “use Indeed.com” or “have you tried Tesco?” but that’s about it.

QuestioningEverythingNow · Today 13:28

It is quite sad but a measure of my mental state - I did google any work coach jobs available in my area because I could actually do that job, and do it better!

I don't think it is possible to understand how bad things are in the UK job market and/or these systems until you have actually experienced it.

I intend to attend all appointments and have utter respect for the need to be accountable if expecting to receive benefits.

I will continue job hunting my own way i guess; that is what I am taking away from this thread.

@Pickledonion1999 I have a full driving licence - been driving since I was 16 (licensed - grew up in a different country with different age limits) - I just don't have a car at the moment. Husband has kept the shared car (acrimonious divorce).

My life is just really sh*t at the moment and all I want to do is get a job and this seems impossible for some reason.

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Portmore · Today 13:29

If you've got skills & are proactively looking & applying then the work coach can't really offer you anything & they all follow the same process so another individual won't offer you anything different

It depends whether or not you want to receive UC while you are searching as UC will be sanctioned if you don't attend.

If you think it's something you might be good at yourself it's worth asking her how she got the role. Being in a difficult situation yourself would make you more aware of the difficulties people face.

Pickledonion1999 · Today 13:31

QuestioningEverythingNow · Today 13:28

It is quite sad but a measure of my mental state - I did google any work coach jobs available in my area because I could actually do that job, and do it better!

I don't think it is possible to understand how bad things are in the UK job market and/or these systems until you have actually experienced it.

I intend to attend all appointments and have utter respect for the need to be accountable if expecting to receive benefits.

I will continue job hunting my own way i guess; that is what I am taking away from this thread.

@Pickledonion1999 I have a full driving licence - been driving since I was 16 (licensed - grew up in a different country with different age limits) - I just don't have a car at the moment. Husband has kept the shared car (acrimonious divorce).

My life is just really sh*t at the moment and all I want to do is get a job and this seems impossible for some reason.

I really hope things improve for you soon, it must be a massive worry especially when you have young kids. I was made redundant in April , I am 58. I have managed to find another job quickly, but yes the job market is dire. As mentioned above my newly graduated DS is on UC and all he has been able to find is a 16 hour a week retail job which he is grateful for but it's no ideal in terms of wanting to get on with his life, move out of home etc. When I was job searching I also considered a work coach role.

herbetta · Today 13:31

Have you signed up with a general employment agency for temp (semi-perm / perm) work? Factory work etc - it's easier to get some / any work quickly & you never know where this or the networking will lead you.

NeverDropYourMooncup · Today 13:35

QuestioningEverythingNow · Today 13:20

My experience and career of over 15 years is in financial services and large corporations. I cannot start my own business with no capital. Accounting for trades I have done before as a side hussle but at the moment most Tradies outsource their financial admin to their partners (this sounds awful written out) and will not pay me for that their wives are already doing (book keeping, tax returns etc_. I have signed up to many many many many agencies - MANY.

I didn't expect the job centre to be an employment agency but as I have to attend once a week for up to an hour at a time it seems futile if the lady can't even comprehend what I am saying.

I was asking if it is possible to ask for someone else. Not to avoid the process, but just to ask for someone else who seems more aware of what my situation is.

"Why would you possibly need the help of a work coach who at best is basically a clueless administrator on minimum wage?"

Wow. Your comment is really brutal. I don't NEED the help of a work coach, but it is a requirement for me to be able to claim some money for me to sustain myself and my 2 DC. I respect that itself is a privilege so I am trying to do what they ask.

I have looked and found jobs all my life but as I said in my OP - the market is dire - it is shockingly bad. I am over qualified for most things and replaced by AI or automation in most others.

I don't think you perhaps understand this - I am not just a bleating sheep feeling sorry for myself - this is actually a huge shock to me. I have always been employable, I have qualifications, work experience, common sense etc. This situation is not anything I could have imagined.

No, you can't demand/ask/request somebody else. You get who you've been given.

For the purposes of receiving UC, you are no different from anybody else who attends, you are no more special than anybody else and you do not require somebody who can 'comprehend' what you're saying - because it is entirely irrelevant. You need a job and you need to keep looking and applying for jobs in order to fulfil the job seeking requirement of the benefit - a SEN TA is something reasonable for them to suggest (in their eyes, and as they make the decisions, that's all that matters) when you take into account that you are literate, numerate and breathing.

Pickledonion1999 · Today 13:41

NeverDropYourMooncup · Today 13:35

No, you can't demand/ask/request somebody else. You get who you've been given.

For the purposes of receiving UC, you are no different from anybody else who attends, you are no more special than anybody else and you do not require somebody who can 'comprehend' what you're saying - because it is entirely irrelevant. You need a job and you need to keep looking and applying for jobs in order to fulfil the job seeking requirement of the benefit - a SEN TA is something reasonable for them to suggest (in their eyes, and as they make the decisions, that's all that matters) when you take into account that you are literate, numerate and breathing.

It clearly is possible to change work coach as a previous poster upthread managed to do it. I have also had client's ( I'm a benefits advisor ) who have been able to do it.

BeOpalQuail · Today 13:51

I don't think as others have said that changing your Work Coach will mean that you receive any useful support with finding another job. Most Work Coaches have very large caseloads and even if they wanted to wouldn't be able to offer much support. You sound very able and it is unlikely that a Work Coach is going to add much value to your job search. I haven't had recent contact with the National Careers Service but when I worked in the Job Centre as part of my role with an advice agency they helped a couple of my clients.

CypressMoon · Today 13:58

Reframe her role in your mind. Think of it as a couple of hours of your time each week, in exchange for the money. That way it feels worthwhile. Think of her not as an actual coach, which she isn't, but a gov employee checking that people in receipt of UC are actively looking for work. That's all she is.

Good luck with the job search. You sound very focused.

Grapewrath · Today 14:01

UC work coaches aren’t there to navigate the work market for you, or even to help you find work you want
They are there to ensure you are fulfilling your work commitments, so her offering you things like SEN TA is just her doing her job. You don’t need qualifications to do that. She really isn’t going to narrow down searches to your line for work or preference- she’s basically there to push you into (any) employment..