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AIBU to feel our marriage may be over after deleted messages

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Poomonster · Today 08:39

Long post warning!!

I’m posting because I honestly don’t know whether I’m being unreasonable, or whether I’ve just reached the point where I can’t carry this anymore.
I’ve been married to my husband for 15 years and we have a 9-year-old daughter.
About five years ago, I found Instagram messages between my husband and another woman. I didn't confront him directly at the time, but I made a comment/hint about men and women messaging each other on Instagram. The next time I looked, the messages had been deleted.
When I questioned him, he said he had deleted them because he realised they might look suspicious. He completely denies that there was anything inappropriate going on.
My problem is that I can't get past the fact that, if there was genuinely nothing in them, why delete them? I know that doesn't necessarily mean he was having an affair or doing anything wrong, but once the messages were deleted, I could never know what had actually been said.
There is another part of this which makes it particularly painful.
Around the same period, my husband told me that I had become unattractive. I had put on quite a lot of weight at the time, and that comment really affected me. When I then found the messages with another woman, it inevitably made me wonder whether there was a connection between the two things.
Since then, he has become much more protective of his phone and, whenever I raise the Instagram situation, he gets annoyed and doesn't really want to talk about it. He continues to say he did nothing wrong and that I'm dwelling on something that happened five years ago.
But I can't get over it.
I don't necessarily think he had an affair. I don't even know what was in the messages. What I do know is that my trust was damaged, and I don't feel like it was ever properly repaired.
I feel as though I have spent five years trying to convince myself that I should be over it, but I'm not. Our relationship has never felt the same to me since.
I'm now wondering whether the marriage is actually dead and I'm just too scared to admit it.
We have a child, we've been together for a long time, and obviously I don't want to destroy our family over something I can't even prove happened. At the same time, I don't want to spend the next 10 or 20 years feeling suspicious, disconnected and unhappy.
Part of me thinks I should just accept his explanation and move on. Another part of me thinks that the fact that he deleted the messages, became more secretive with his phone and then dismissed my feelings is exactly why I have never been able to move on.
I also can't help wondering whether being told I was unattractive at the same time has affected how I see myself and how secure I feel in the marriage.
So, Mumsnet, what would you do?
Would you try couples counselling and genuinely try to rebuild the marriage, even after five years?
Or does the fact that I still feel this way after all this time tell me that the relationship has already run its course?
I don't want people to tell me categorically that he definitely cheated, because none of us know that. I think what I'm struggling with is whether a marriage can survive when trust has been broken but you never actually find out what happened — and the other person isn't willing to really talk about it.

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Hellodarknessmyoldpal · Today 08:44

Do you mean you found the messages but didn’t actually read them? The fact that he deleted them would suggest that whatever was written would have been inappropriate.

rainbowstardrops · Today 08:52

It’s difficult because if I’ve got it right, you didn’t actually read the messages but the fact that he deleted them, said he’d done so because they’d look suspicious and the nasty comment about your appearance around the same time doesn’t look good. I’d struggle to get past that too.

NeatPinkFinch · Today 08:59

He told you you were unattractive. The marriage would have ended there and then for me.

Poomonster · Today 09:03

Hellodarknessmyoldpal · Today 08:44

Do you mean you found the messages but didn’t actually read them? The fact that he deleted them would suggest that whatever was written would have been inappropriate.

I did read them. They weren't sexual, but I think inappropriate as he shouldn't be engaging in private messages with any woman. There was also a picture taken by said woman with my husband looking out the window of his office. The messages were obviously refering to some sort of "in joke" that they shared. What also hurts is that after I found them and then made it very clear that I was unhappy, he maintained this person on his Instagram..... possibly messaging after being so secretive with his phone. Just not sure I can get this out of my head and it's making me unhappy to the point that I'd rather be in my own than have this in my head.

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Shallysally · Today 09:10

I think you have answered your own question OP. It’s been 5 years. Your H has done very little to give you any reassurance or done anything to actively work to rebuild your trust.
In fact he’s done the opposite, deleted the messages, been more secretive with his phone.
IMO that is him proving his guilt.

You deserve so much better than this behaviour. And you do not need to be spending the next years always thinking about the messages or if he is still messaging her or some other woman.

I hope you come to a decision that is right for you and enables you to find some peace.

MurielTheTerrible · Today 09:13

If you can't get over it, divorce him - you can't carry this forever and 5 years is a very long time already. However, I'm not sure that it has warranted 5 years of angst. There were messages that weren't seemingly inappropriate, he deleted them, it hasn't happened again that you know of.
The bit about saying you'd become unattractive - not kind but if you had put on a lot of weight, possibly true. I think that's a very difficult one - no matter how much you love someone as a person and partner, if they look unappealing it's would be hard to look at them in quite the same way.

Aiming4Optimistic · Today 09:25

I think he was having an inappropriate exchange with this woman - he's destroyed the evidence and hides his phone and that's pretty damning in my eyes. Being secretive with his phone even now implies that his behaviour hasn't changed, he's just more careful not to get caught.

I think that people can come back from an affair but only when there is true remorse and honesty. The work in rebuilding trust has to come from the person who went outside of the marriage. Even then, there are no guarantees - sometimes you can't get past it. In your situation, he hasn't admitted wrong doing, and hasnt tried to rebuild trust. And that's before you get to the horrible things he's said to you!

Honestly, I do think this relationship is over - trust takes years to build and minutes to shatter. You can't trust him and he's given you no reason to, really. IMO it's better to go separate ways and co parent civilly than to let this carry on and it be death by a thousand cuts.
If you decide to end things, then don't let him or anyone put the blame on you and imply you are breaking up a family over nothing - he did this then he spoke to you the way he did and when he started having 'in jokes' and messaging another woman. If she was photographing him at his office window, this is someone he knows. You've barely scratched the surface imo.

rwalker · Today 09:38

It’s done you read the messages he deleted them
they weren’t sexual you don’t think he had an affair
yet for the last 5 years your using this as a stick to beat him with
counselling is pointless I really don’t think anything he would say would resolve this

you need to separate it’s got to the point of no return

I would be very guarded of my phone as he’s living under constant suspicion and I wouldn’t put up with being constantly checked on then questioned living on a knife edge thinking could that be interpreted wrong

it’s no way to live for ether of you

Dozer · Today 09:40

It was 5 years ago he did and said those things, you don’t feel secure and trust him. Do you want to stay married to him, with things as they are?

MightyGoldBear · Today 09:52

Would he be open to marriage counselling? Or indeed individual counselling first? You can't repair a relationship with someone who doesn't want to. He broke the trust it will be him that needs to fix it but if he doesn't see the issue and sees it as all your issue to deal with then it's the end.

The relationships I see successfully recover from this the secretive partner becomes completely transparent and puts the hard work in to re build trust. From your post it doesn't sound like he cares. What do YOU want op?

Poppingby · Today 09:54

I don't want to spend the next 10 or 20 years feeling suspicious, disconnected and unhappy.

This is the relevant bit of your post. Is there a way other than leaving to stop feeling like this?

Marriage counselling might help if he's on board I suppose. It might also help you split up in a less destructive way.

Roseshavethorns · Today 10:00

You did read the messages and you know what they said. It's not the content of the messages you can't get over (according to you they were not sexual but implied a friendly work relationship) it is their existence.
I think the bit that would bother me is the unattractive comment. However it would really depend on the context and how it was said. Was it meant to hurt you and weaponise your insecurities? Was it part of a difficult conversation (been there).
The only person whose opinion matters in this instance is you. If you can't get over it then you have your answer.
For what it's worth it the messages as you describe them wouldn't have bothered me at all.

Roseshavethorns · Today 10:01

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