Job market is awful

People are too fussy and don't do shift work. DH works in the rail industry doing shifts and there are always vacancies. Does night shift, back shift and early shift on rotation. You just get on with it. It does interfere with family life but working 9 til 5 type jobs are problematic in their own way too. He is often around to help with bed time routine, can go to school assemblies during the day etc if on a rest day.

Also there are loads of manufacturing jobs. DS aged 19 is currently doing 10 hrs shifts 4 days a week at a bakery. Often standing for long periods of time on the production line. But he earns okay for his age. Often clearing £350 each week. He got this work through an agency. Anyone can do this. He has worked various shift patterns such as 7am til 5.15, 10 til 6pm, and 10 til 8pm.

Too many fussy people out there.

People are too fussy and don't do shift work. DH works in the rail industry doing shifts and there are always vacancies. Does night shift, back shift and early shift on rotation. You just get on with it. It does interfere with family life but working 9 til 5 type jobs are problematic in their own way too. He is often around to help with bed time routine, can go to school assemblies during the day etc if on a rest day.

Also there are loads of manufacturing jobs. DS aged 19 is currently doing 10 hrs shifts 4 days a week at a bakery. Often standing for long periods of time on the production line. But he earns okay for his age. Often clearing £350 each week. He got this work through an agency. Anyone can do this. He has worked various shift patterns such as 7am til 5.15, 10 til 6pm, and 10 til 8pm.

Too many fussy people out there.

Plenty of people work as volunteers today, doing charity work for free. Plenty of people love their jobs and relish having a purpose through work. There will still be a cohort of society who would do anything over not working at all. There will still be highly paid human roles, controlling the AI, robots and the systems. I think before UBI or UHI we will see the shift towards shorter working weeks for many sectors, 3 day weeks will be common in the next 18-24 months.

It’s also going to be a good 4/5 years before people are comfortable having a robot carer or nurse so many jobs will stay human centric out of necessity for the human touch initially. Let’s not forget that the new world we’re entering is going to be filled with an abundance of new opportunities just as the internet brought with it influencers, online retailers and service providers, new careers will blossom.

Earth is hard isn't it.

I grew up in poverty of money, and total poverty of love, which I think is the real poverty. No one cared about me

However I think I can't really complain as at least I didn't grow up in a war torn country. So many people have it so hard.

I do sometimes wonder: is the child in a really poor but loving family in Africa, more unhappy than a child in a family that is less poor in Europe but who's parents don't love them. We all go through so much. Just being alive is hard

£350 for 40 hours.... That is £8.75ph. That is not legal.

£350 for 40 hours.... That is £8.75ph. That is not legal.

People are too fussy and don't do shift work. DH works in the rail industry doing shifts and there are always vacancies. Does night shift, back shift and early shift on rotation. You just get on with it. It does interfere with family life but working 9 til 5 type jobs are problematic in their own way too. He is often around to help with bed time routine, can go to school assemblies during the day etc if on a rest day.

Also there are loads of manufacturing jobs. DS aged 19 is currently doing 10 hrs shifts 4 days a week at a bakery. Often standing for long periods of time on the production line. But he earns okay for his age. Often clearing £350 each week. He got this work through an agency. Anyone can do this. He has worked various shift patterns such as 7am til 5.15, 10 til 6pm, and 10 til 8pm.

Too many fussy people out there.

It is legal if you are an apprentice.

UBI will be a necessity for the millions unable to find work

Don't we have this already with the benefits system? The country is struggling to pay for existing claimants at the current level let alone enhanced payments for more people.

Generally, people have ignored the news when it's announced that UK productivity is very poor, this leads to less companies wanted to invest in the UK, which leads to the GDP growth at currently is almost zero. Without growth there are no jobs.

The recent increase in NI without a doubt impacted employers, mine reversed hiring as they felt the decisions by Labour, especially rushing through the changes without a period of notice meant the UK was not a safe place to invest.

The lack of stability in UK finances due to government spending is a major factor as borrowing costs rise so impacts employers.

Labour can't make the UK finances stable as the voter base won't allow it...which is why most people are pessimistic

Construction is a UK sector that has less risk of AI but rarely considered by UK people. Someone else mentioned that machine drivers are highly in demand. Also military roles, not everything is combat as many areas which could appeal to active young people.

I think the volume of Uni students does have to reverse. I've hired many students with degrees that didn't provide enough (or any skills) for the job market.

I thought apprenticeships had to pay at least NMW.
I remember seeing one for £3.54ph (was a few years ago though), and I got shit on here for not applying for it (it was a year long one for learning to make tea!).

Not all of unemployed people are paying mortgages.

Also repossessions are the highest they’ve been for a while according to the most recent figures:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj0e0jjz88ro

£350 for 40 hours.... That is £8.75ph. That is not legal.

Theres not enough jobs our there ny 19 year old is willing to work any hours and hss sent off loads of applications but heard nothing back.

As Elon said "it turns out you dont need that many people".

Ah..but Elon is wrong.

Without people there is no end customer. All that "productivity" he wants to generate, its all worthless without an end customer who needs/wants (and has the money) to buy good and services. Even if a business's direct customer is AI/robot, that robot is in a supply chain that ultimately ends with people buying stuff.

No people... no demand.

And the people need to have money to buy.

As Elon said "it turns out you dont need that many people".

Ah..but Elon is wrong.

Without people there is no end customer. All that "productivity" he wants to generate, its all worthless without an end customer who needs/wants (and has the money) to buy good and services. Even if a business's direct customer is AI/robot, that robot is in a supply chain that ultimately ends with people buying stuff.

No people... no demand.

And the people need to have money to buy.

The government has a lot to answer for. Huge increase in regulation (employment rights act) and cost to hire people (min wage, national insurance). Then they wonder why youth unemployment has sky rocketed and the grad market is in the doldrums plus huge reduction in vacancies generally. Until this gets fixed expect things to keep getting worse - more tax rises coming in the October budget. But it’s ok cos Andy has cut bus fares to £2 (where they were when they took office) and given us all £45 off electricity (even though the price cap is increasing by around £150). They take us for fools - and now the proposal is an extra 1.8% levy (tax) on earnings above £6500 to pay for social care. There’s never any discussion about cutting spending is there from this lot. Just looking to tax people more. And then they wonder why businesses don’t want to hire people - the economy is not growing and Labour have no plan to get it growing (hopefully the fake solicitor now in charge of the Business Dept will have a think about that!)

I have encouraged DS aged 19 to not save up for a mortgage and put his name down on council housing list. Yes, it will take time but he will have a house for life. You get all your repairs done for you.

There's just no incentive now for young ones to buy up property and have a mortgage to their name.

And it's getting more and more out of reach for them. How on earth can they save up when many can't even get a decent job?

I have encouraged DS aged 19 to not save up for a mortgage and put his name down on council housing list. Yes, it will take time but he will have a house for life. You get all your repairs done for you.

There's just no incentive now for young ones to buy up property and have a mortgage to their name.

And it's getting more and more out of reach for them. How on earth can they save up when many can't even get a decent job?

Trillions of £ are going to be inherited over the next 20+ years as my generation dies off. My friends are all 70+ and we own our homes. Not expensive London properties, but at least £150k+. For those of us that don’t end up in expensive care homes, our middle aged children (who really don’t need it) will probably use it to help our grandchildren with housing.

Most of us started with nothing, council house upbringing in many cases, and got no or little inheritance. We encouraged our children to take opportunities that weren’t there for us. Perhaps those who like to have a go at boomers for ‘having it all’ will be glad we took the then unknown risk of buying houses when they get a nice windfall.

I’m not sure it is as easy as that!

It's a damn sight easier if you have additional needs which my eldest does have. I am sure it's a points based system.

Owning property just means you have your assets seized to pay for your care later on. That cannot happen if you're a council tenant.