What happens with "trans" people at airports?

My passport states 'sex - F' for female so I'm assuming all passports do. I presume you have to go with the sex declared on your legal document. I would think on the other side of it, this job is inappropriate for a trans person whichever way they are because of the complications it causes

I thought it was about being searched not the person doing the searched gender.
I dont think a trans womens going to interested in you in a sexual way.
Fark sakes

I think they usually catch a plane somewhere.. 🙄

Wonder if the guidance states a staff member can refuse 🤔 i know I'm being arsey and that they're not giving hugely intimate searches but I'd say it's a grey area

No this is the U.K. Other counties have their own laws and practices.

Fine. That poster correctly sexed an adult male.

I don't use "transwoman" because I find it a deliberately confusing and unhelpful term. I usually use male because they are men.

It is very wrong to attempt to compel the speech of others, whether by direct appeal, or by using social ostracism and the other methods the trans rights activists use to enforce it.

It gains an entirely new level of wrongness when people are attempting to coerce females via gaslighting, social ostracism and the other methods the trans rights activists use to say that men can also be "women".

I wish no harm on anyone, I don't hate. I think people should be able to call themselves a name they are happy with and wear what clothes they are comfortable in.

Trans identified males can do those things without infringing on women's rights. They just need to stay away from the words we use to describe ourselves as a sex class, our single sex spaces, and our rights. Men can't be lesbians either so I'd like very much for the trans identifying males who do this to stop attempting to coerce young lesbians into sex with "lady dick" or brand them "sexual racists" or "sexual fascists".

I am not ok with compelled speech, homophobia, the erasure of women's rights, or the shattering of children's safeguarding.

How is acknowledging that this is a trans person we are talking about compelled speech? It's factual.

On other threads I have been told I am rude when I called out a poster who saw fit to correct my use of the female pronoun for my trans daughter. As I said to them: You can use he if you must; but you can't compel me to. That goes both ways.

It's not really factual though is it? He is male. People are either male or female and although you can wear what you like etc, no one can actually change sex.

It is an attempt at compelled speech when you say to someone they're rude for using a non-pejorative, accurate term and then to say use these words in future instead of the ones you chose.

Yes you can use whichever words you'd like, I'm not trying to compel your speech.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

To add, someone else using correct sex pronouns isn't compelling your speech, it's just them being factual.

I didn't tell them how to refer to my young person. Just told them they were not free to correct me. This is my family and my life. Bloody cheeky of it.

I am fully familiar with pronouns are rohypnol. I have been on FWR for almost 10 years, since Maria McLaughlan Vs Tara Wolf.

And yes, it us factual to say my adult child identifies as trans. They are a trans person.

Nope, training indicates that if you do not wish to do this then it isn’t the job for you.

I thought it was about being searched not the person doing the searched gender.
I dont think a trans womens going to interested in you in a sexual way.
Fark sakes

Fine. That poster correctly sexed an adult male.

I don't use "transwoman" because I find it a deliberately confusing and unhelpful term. I usually use male because they are men.

It is very wrong to attempt to compel the speech of others, whether by direct appeal, or by using social ostracism and the other methods the trans rights activists use to enforce it.

It gains an entirely new level of wrongness when people are attempting to coerce females via gaslighting, social ostracism and the other methods the trans rights activists use to say that men can also be "women".

I wish no harm on anyone, I don't hate. I think people should be able to call themselves a name they are happy with and wear what clothes they are comfortable in.

Trans identified males can do those things without infringing on women's rights. They just need to stay away from the words we use to describe ourselves as a sex class, our single sex spaces, and our rights. Men can't be lesbians either so I'd like very much for the trans identifying males who do this to stop attempting to coerce young lesbians into sex with "lady dick" or brand them "sexual racists" or "sexual fascists".

I am not ok with compelled speech, homophobia, the erasure of women's rights, or the shattering of children's safeguarding.

Never have I heard such oxymoronic nonsense..

To make this much of a fuss about refusing to be “coerced” (seriously?) into putting the word trans in front of a pronoun really belittles the actual issues women face in the real world.

You say “Trans identified males can do those things without infringing on women's rights”. How on earth is suggesting that you use the term “trans woman” or “trans person” infringing on women’s rights? We are talking about a qualified pronoun here. What exactly am I losing by showing a bit of humanity?
This doesn’t come across as someone defending women’s rights - more as someone who is sanctimoniously using pedantry to cause offence.

Language is fluid & ever changing, and I don’t think that showing someone some consideration will lead directly to being raped by a guy who has bought a dress for nefarious purposes.

"Language is fluid & ever changing, and I don’t think that showing someone some consideration will lead directly to being raped by a guy who has bought a dress for nefarious purposes."

This is a straw man argument. I have never said that. Women need single sex spaces not only for safety, but as shown on this thread because of past trauma too. We also need them for reasons of privacy, dignity and religious belief. Where is your kindness towards women?

As to the rest of your post you can say what you like. I think it is a coercion of language.

People can use what words they like. You can put trans in front of whatever you like.

I choose to use sex based language, not as you say to cause offense, but to reflect accurate reality. I have explained why in my posts.

I don't think it belittles the "actual issues" women face in the real world at all actually.

I think part of the struggle for women's rights has been made harder and is sharply illustrated by our need to go right back to basics and have to defend the very words words that are used to describe us as a sex class.

If the words "woman", "girl", "female" no longer are exclusive to the half of the population that are in fact biological females, how do we as society provide the rights and protections that that half of society needs?

How do we separate that half of the population from the trans identified males who now also use those words to describe themselves when we need to?

We have now seen the results of what happens in those circumstances. It has not been at all beneficial for the female half of the population. In fact it has been extremely detrimental to us. Women's groups, actual lesbian groups, girls groups, charities, rape crisis centres, prisons, funding, awards, prizes, records, sports, shortlists, and so on and so forth were no longer championing females. Instead the needs of a small minority of males have been prioritised over the needs of all women.

When women offered to help campaign for extra provision for trans identified people they were called bigoted transphobes and the abuse of anyone who didn't fall in line with handing over every provision previously set aside for women were either harassed, arrested, attacked, de-platformed, fired or suspended.

Where is the be kind for women in appropriating their words? Where is the actual benefit to women here?

Sex not only matters for women, but for trans identified people too. There's been a recent furore in TRA circles because the NHS is finally going to start recording patient sex again, instead of just their identified gender. Sex matters.

I'll repeat myself. Call yourself whatever name you like, wear what you feel most comfortable in. I don't hate anyone or wish anyone harm. Sex still matters though, and men can never be women.

I thought it was about being searched not the person doing the searched gender.
I dont think a trans womens going to interested in you in a sexual way.
Fark sakes

"Language is fluid & ever changing, and I don’t think that showing someone some consideration will lead directly to being raped by a guy who has bought a dress for nefarious purposes."

This is a straw man argument. I have never said that. Women need single sex spaces not only for safety, but as shown on this thread because of past trauma too. We also need them for reasons of privacy, dignity and religious belief. Where is your kindness towards women?

As to the rest of your post you can say what you like. I think it is a coercion of language.

People can use what words they like. You can put trans in front of whatever you like.

I choose to use sex based language, not as you say to cause offense, but to reflect accurate reality. I have explained why in my posts.

I don't think it belittles the "actual issues" women face in the real world at all actually.

I think part of the struggle for women's rights has been made harder and is sharply illustrated by our need to go right back to basics and have to defend the very words words that are used to describe us as a sex class.

If the words "woman", "girl", "female" no longer are exclusive to the half of the population that are in fact biological females, how do we as society provide the rights and protections that that half of society needs?

How do we separate that half of the population from the trans identified males who now also use those words to describe themselves when we need to?

We have now seen the results of what happens in those circumstances. It has not been at all beneficial for the female half of the population. In fact it has been extremely detrimental to us. Women's groups, actual lesbian groups, girls groups, charities, rape crisis centres, prisons, funding, awards, prizes, records, sports, shortlists, and so on and so forth were no longer championing females. Instead the needs of a small minority of males have been prioritised over the needs of all women.

When women offered to help campaign for extra provision for trans identified people they were called bigoted transphobes and the abuse of anyone who didn't fall in line with handing over every provision previously set aside for women were either harassed, arrested, attacked, de-platformed, fired or suspended.

Where is the be kind for women in appropriating their words? Where is the actual benefit to women here?

Sex not only matters for women, but for trans identified people too. There's been a recent furore in TRA circles because the NHS is finally going to start recording patient sex again, instead of just their identified gender. Sex matters.

I'll repeat myself. Call yourself whatever name you like, wear what you feel most comfortable in. I don't hate anyone or wish anyone harm. Sex still matters though, and men can never be women.

You write compellingly, but on the wrong subject.

We are talking about having the manners to dignify someone who is deeply uncomfortable with their birth gender with the addition of the word “trans” before their gender.

In what way would doing so encroach on women’s safe spaces?
I’m not aware of any natal women being described as “trans women” so I can’t even see how this could cause a bit of a muddle if you need to know someone’s birth gender for any reason.

I can’t see how we’re giving up a lot of ground with this. However, it would infinitely more considerate.

Yes a trans identified male can ask to be searched by a female staff member, and female passengers could be searched by trans identified males.

As if that wasn't bad enough, just take a look at what's happening with the police

Challenging the shadow strip-searching regime - Sex Matters

You write compellingly, but on the wrong subject.

We are talking about having the manners to dignify someone who is deeply uncomfortable with their birth gender with the addition of the word “trans” before their gender.

In what way would doing so encroach on women’s safe spaces?
I’m not aware of any natal women being described as “trans women” so I can’t even see how this could cause a bit of a muddle if you need to know someone’s birth gender for any reason.

I can’t see how we’re giving up a lot of ground with this. However, it would infinitely more considerate.

The person being searched has the right to choose who does the search. The staff member doing the training is trained to search both men and women and they don’t choose who they’re searching; they’re in the wrong job if they’re going to shirk 50% of the job.

In the UK, sure. What about the UAE, for example?

I'm surprised most posters don't realise this. Both sexes have to be trained to search anyone.