What happens with "trans" people at airports?

no, you can have F on your passport if you were born M.
You can apply to change your name and gender marker on your passport if you meet the evidential requirements

You really need ai to respond to a mumsnet post?

Fine. That poster correctly sexed an adult male.

I don't use "transwoman" because I find it a deliberately confusing and unhelpful term. I usually use male because they are men.

It is very wrong to attempt to compel the speech of others, whether by direct appeal, or by using social ostracism and the other methods the trans rights activists use to enforce it.

It gains an entirely new level of wrongness when people are attempting to coerce females via gaslighting, social ostracism and the other methods the trans rights activists use to say that men can also be "women".

I wish no harm on anyone, I don't hate. I think people should be able to call themselves a name they are happy with and wear what clothes they are comfortable in.

Trans identified males can do those things without infringing on women's rights. They just need to stay away from the words we use to describe ourselves as a sex class, our single sex spaces, and our rights. Men can't be lesbians either so I'd like very much for the trans identifying males who do this to stop attempting to coerce young lesbians into sex with "lady dick" or brand them "sexual racists" or "sexual fascists".

I am not ok with compelled speech, homophobia, the erasure of women's rights, or the shattering of children's safeguarding.

Adult not child.

I personally find it pretty rude when people won't accept that my trans daughter is trans. I am asking no one to call her female and pretend she was born that way. Call her a trans person or a trans woman or even a trans identified male if you must.

You won't, of course.

At some airports there are female staff patting down men, women can request a woman but most men don’t seem to be bothered about opposite sex staff!

That poster correctly sexed a male child.

It is not empathetic towards females, or at all clever to call male people girls or women.

There aren't any "anti-trans" rallies.

There are pro-women's rights rallies.

There are arguably anti-women's rights and anti-lesbian rallies these days.

Most things trans rights a activists call "anti-trans" are really just pro-women's rights or pro-safeguarding for children.

Oh how clever of you! You misgendered. How wise and emphatic you are. Well done you.

It definitely was not allowed in hand luggage at the time — it counted or was classified as a gel and gels were on the banned list for a while as they could be used in making explosives. I just happened to be flying at a time of heightened security measures following the shoe bomber incident where a terrorist attempted to put some explosive substances on or in his shoes, before he was arrested. After that the list of forbidden items expanded and included among other things, decks of playing cards.

Completely disagree, that’s not my experience at all!
I’m 57, always setting the blooming beepers off and have never once been searched by a male; nor have I ever seen any other woman being searched by a male in a UK airport. If it does happen it’s very rare.

As soon as as you set the thing off the female officer beckons you over!

ETA: don’t know about trans folk though… would hope both parties are OK with whoever does the search, as with any other passengers.

I don't know whether you're asking about Turkey in particular, or how trans people should be treated at airports in a more existential way.

If you mean Turkey specifically, my understanding is that people can undergo gender reassignment surgery, and having done so, can change the gender marker on their national identity card.

Whether that means they count as a woman for pat down purposes at the airport, I'm not sure.

I got searched in Germany and I really think she should have bought me dinner first as it felt like groping more than patting down. She was really intense and seemed almost disappointed when I was ‘clean’. The guy at the machine opened all my lindt chocolates which pissed me off too.

No this is the U.K. Other counties have their own laws and practices.

in my home country it’s always a woman searching the women

The answer will depend entirely on the laws and culture of the country in which the airport is located.

I have never in any thread on the subject claimed or suggested that my trans daughter's experience or presentation is indistinguishable from my natal daughter's. Recognising the history and the difference and acknowledging it is the only route to a healthy future as a trans person imo.

Your son is very different from girls then as I don’t know any young girls who would be so unfazed by an adult man searching them.

The comment some way above mine about transpeople being men in dresses who are perverts enjoying being searched by women for their own gratification has been deleted, which makes my comment less understandable.

I am saying that not every trans woman is going to militantly demand to be searched by a woman. Many don't care who searches them and won't make a big deal of it. Mine would be pretty uncomfortable being searched by a woman, actually.

What does any of this mean?

Your male child wearing jeans and a jumper was searched my a male member of staff?

Presumably because of the nightlife. It was always noticeable how many there were.

International travel and differing customs do raise questions.

I think trans passengers are concerned may have to do some research as countries practises will differ - though it may not bother some.

While I'd likely prefer a woman a professional man wouldn't really upset me but that's not the same for all women - some it would be a complete no for.

I'm presuming they can request a member of a specific sex and as a goodwill gesture they will try to accommodate that.

Presuming their passport shows them as the opposite sex and a picture of them trying to pass as such. Else the document wouldn't identify them visually.

The staff are trained to search both sexes in a specific way, though often they will only need to search their own.

You don’t

I am a woman I have been searched by men.

in the uk at least you can request it is done by a woman and they will honour this request but you may have to wait.