AIBU to be deeply concerned about the recent influx of 30k+ undocumented arrivals in Spain?

Im not sure if you mean he pretended to be a child so he could join family here? Children who apply outside of the country to come to join family here are subject to huge scrutiny, they need proper documentation, they come via immigration and the Home Office, subject to various assessments so its not likely that someone saying they're the child of Mr and Mrs X aged 17 is really their grown up son aged 30

But some people come to the UK and arrive at ports via sea crossings and say they're 17 when they might be older, usually young people come into the care system with age disputed already by the Home Office and then age assessments have to be completed. They're not terriby reliable, easy to 'prove' and 'disprove'. Its not really easy to say 'he's not 17, he's 19'. Think about how many teens you could interview and say that about?

Although the Moroccan young men have largely gone home, the people who have travelled further from sub-Saharan Africa are staying put in Ceuta. The Moroccans can go home to bed, but others will only hang around in Morocco waiting for another opportunity.

It is such a difficult problem as each country pushes migrants on, wanting them through and out of their country asap. The end of the line and the ultimate goal is the UK and Northern Europe.

However compassionate you may be, surely you can see that there is simply no way to accommodate, finance or even vaguely assimilate as many people from African/ME countries as expect to come to Europe.

Well its been like that since the 80s when I lived there but of course the Tories slashed all the low cost English courses that helped particularly the women to learn.

Imagine if all the British started hating on the French because of William The Conqueror and the battle of Hastings in 1066 🤣🤣🤣

"white people did bad things centuries ago"

"White man bad"

"Diversity is our strength"

It is amazing that people are still trying to deny the issues with uncontrolled immigration, it’s simply absurd at this point. I don’t get the motivation.

Yup it just shows how flawed the system is doesn’t it.

Good for you but that's not the case everywhere. Don't the NHS in London use interpreters? We do in Bradford and the police and solicitors use them too. And they don't come cheap.

Try Tower Hamlets - Over one third of adults (35 per cent) in Tower Hamlets use a main language other than English. While the majority of this group are fluent in English, around one quarter said they could not speak English ‘well’ or
‘at all’ - a total of 18,311 residents. This is equivalent to 9 per cent of the borough’s adult population - the second highest proportion in England, after Newham.

Well they certainly aren't slashing them or impounding them are they? {Despite what we (UK) are paying them.}

"it's easier to settle in England". I'm not going to risk drowning in the sea to escape France.

I do. Only sometimes and some parts. It's a city with lots of history and culture. But obviously over the decades it's suffered some issues.

They have absolutely no reason to travel all the way through Europe and over to England passing many safe countries in the process. I honestly don’t give a shit about your reasons or excuses for it.

I actually like Paris sometimes
Unbelievable.

Its complex. Many threads to this. English is becoming a world wide language, the colonial past, misinformation, relatives already established here, escaping hideous trauma/ poverty, trying to get out of a hell hole and yes trying to reinvent yourself.
I think young people are risk takers.

What do you mean? It’s a short ferry ride to mainland Spain, it’s a shorter distance than the channel crossing. A train, bus or walk into France. Its quite simple if borders don’t work.

Unlawful immigration has not reduced substantially or otherwise under this government, it’s increased.

2023: 37,000 detected illegal arrivals.
2024: 43,000
2025: 46,497

But I’m sure you made an honest mistake and are not trying to shut down debate by imply anyone is racist and deliberately posting false information.

Probably aggressive turn to violence

At a school I worked at we had a (very nice, polite) lad who we all had to pretend was 17. It was very, very obvious that we were dealing with a young man of almost 30

I wonder if he'd have remained "nice and polite" if the pretence that everyone believed his age claim had been dropped, @CoffeeCantata?

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/gazan-family-refugee-status-asylum-rejection-gwsq2c8b

Not for much longer once more people hear about this route.

There will be some who say "oh they know English. They have friends and family here"

If I was someone "stuck" in France I'd not risk death to go to England. I'd try and learn some french and make a start in french society. I actually like Paris sometimes.

That's interesting - that must be why some men claim not to know their age?

At a school I worked at we had a (very nice, polite) lad who we all had to pretend was 17. It was very, very obvious that we were dealing with a young man of almost 30.

How sad you don't mind beheadings & people defecating on streets & parks!

Agreed. There has to be a reason. They have no reason to travel all the way through Europe to England just for things like avoiding conscription.

Yes to set up a base as such. There is often a lot of pressure on the one who comes first. Sometimes a lot of money has been paid to someone to facilitate the journey and theres even more pressure because that money has to be paid back. Many families are quite middle class so they have the money to do hat, bu many dont and are in a lot of debt and the person who comes here is then worried about pressure on the family back home to keep paying this money back.

However you can only join family in the UK if you are a child elsewhere in the world. You cant join family in the UK if you are an adult outside of the UK

Quite a few males, genuinely believe they are going ahead to provide for relatives. They think they will get a job, a flat and be reunited.