AIBU to be deeply concerned about the recent influx of 30k+ undocumented arrivals in Spain?

Who provided the thousands of rubber rings? It must have been a plan organised some time in advance.

People also dont have to say they like the UK to seek asylum, asylum is sought on the basis of the person being at risk in their home country, so no one has to say the 'right things' as its implied here that they love the UK and all our ways

I don't think many here are thinking of a professed love of the UK being one of the "right things to say", likelysuspect, and certainly it's not been included on the coaching notes I've seen handed out by migrant supporters

The suggested claims on those were more along the lines of "my father's been shot, my sister raped and my brother chucked down a well", though I'm told that insisting they've been persecuted for being gay has fallen out of favour since many don't even want to pretend that

They dont come because of that reason though?

Given the vast majority of asylum seekers in the world do not come to the UK, how is this relevant.

Our empire and colonies were wide spread, so it stands to reason that many countries throughout the world had some sort of British link (even if tenuous), it doesnt mean people choose the UK simply because of the empire.

Well thank you. I appreciate your level headed responses throughout this thread and your ability to see both sides of the argument. But from what you’ve said, it pretty much has confirmed what many of us on this thread have been saying. That they don’t care about our culture or integrating and that they come here because we are “tolerant” and the likes of the woke left, the greens, along with the Antifa and Stand Up to Racism mob bleating “say it loud, say it clear, refugees are welcome here” will always defend them no matter what horrific crimes they commit. You have further confirmed that by saying they can claim asylum in any country they choose, that’s very true… but there are thousands queuing up to come here over the channel and paying high sums of money to do so. Many may not come to the the UK but there is a reason why a huge majority of them who choose to come to the UK go to such lengths to do so.

As you can see, Ceuta didn’t welcome them with open arms. A lot of them have gone back now, even though they went to great lengths to get there, some even dying in the process…. But they didn’t get the welcome they wanted.

Again. Ceuta is part of Spain. Geographically it it on the continent of Africa. Just like geographically the Canaries are FAR from mainland Spain, and closer to Africa.
Both Spain.
Ceuta has never been part of Morroco. The population is Spanish, and wish to be Spanish.
The 50k men breached the border of Spain.
It’s bog all to do with “colonisation” unless we are going back to the Romans..?
I wish people would not turn everything into a game of Opressed and Oppressor. The world actually is more nuanced than that.

Im not here to give 'excuses' for people being here. There are strict categories of asylum application, but you can choose to seek asylum in any country you choose, that is the law, you dont have to claim asylum in the first country you come to

Most asylum seekers world wide dont come here, dont even want to come here.

Im just giving feedback on my knowledge from working with asylum seekers for those particular people

People being interviewed are as much of a representation as any group or gaggle of people being interviewed with simple soundbites

Perhaps they should have already known the language of they are full time residents. There's also plenty of free classes and material online.

“I think some of that has some validity by a bit of a stretch, the reality is that people that really have no time for UK values, dont come here, they stay in the ME or other African countries, they have no interest in living in this society”

Yet they want to come here… with little to no interest in integrating into our culture because they have no interest in it. But they want to come here because we are “tolerant”.

”People also dont have to say they like the UK to seek asylum, asylum is sought on the basis of the person being at risk in their home country, so no one has to say the 'right things' as its implied here that they love the UK and all our ways.”

No they don’t have to say they like England but a lot of the reasons you’re giving aren’t much of an excuse for them being here. They have passed through multiple safe countries to get here and risked their lives crossing the channel.
I’ve watched various people interviewing them asking why they came to England and it’s almost always the same generic answer “We like England”, “We love England”, “England good” and you can just tell they’re being false, it’s not coming from their heart for a lot of them.

You definitely need a duvet day to go and inform yourself properly. Ceuta is in Africa and not in the European continent. The OP is blowing this out of proportion. These immigrants haven't left Africa ffs.

As the pp above has said, they come here because we are more “tolerant”. That’s basically it. They know they will be welcomed with open arms

I think some of that has some validity by a bit of a stretch, the reality is that people that really have no time for UK values, dont come here, they stay in the ME or other African countries, they have no interest in living in this society

People also dont have to say they like the UK to seek asylum, asylum is sought on the basis of the person being at risk in their home country, so no one has to say the 'right things' as its implied here that they love the UK and all our ways.

I think many do have a genuine shock about what is expected of men in particular, culture about equality in terms of sex, not ethnicity. When there is a view given about tolerance from an incomer, what they mean is tolerance for them to thrive, progress, get jobs etc, its not about sex equality or sexuality tolerance and that can come as a bit of a surprise to them.

And again, absolutely NOT AN EXCUSE TO CLAIM ASYLUM HERE! So defend it all you like. It’s not going to change my mind.

Common Nationalities: According to data from advocacy groups like Refugee Action, nearly two-thirds of the most common nationalities applying for asylum in the UK come from countries with colonial links or a history of British resource extraction and conflict.

I'm done.

And this is the issue - a lot of them are not “tolerant” of our culture or values yet they like that we are tolerant of them.
And while ever the lefty woke are calling concerned British citizens “racist”, they know they will have the likes of certain people on this thread, Antifa and stand up to racism who welcome them with open arms because they are “tolerant”.
It seems more of a manipulation tactic used by many boat migrants more than anything. You can’t claim to want to live in England and love England, then go raping and murdering its citizens. Obviously not all of them are doing this but it does seem a lot are saying the “right things” in order to get to stay here.

Oh Cuenta, yes, different demographic to assylum seekers in the UK

Many are coming to the UK though because the UK is more tolerant, that is a fact for many African and ME people. No country is paved with gold, its not so much about that, but there is more equality here for peole who come here from abroad to the usual other European countries (Im talking generally obviously and from my experience of what asylum seekers have experienced)

Still doesn’t answer why you think colonisation is relevant. Maybe the English should start crossing the channel over to France because of the battle of Hastings in 1066. Absolutely no logic whatsoever and anyone spouting this daft ideology as an excuse for boat migrants to come to England needs to give their head a wobble!

Yes very likely age disputed and therefore moved on to NAAS

I don't have the energy for an argument. The whole topic is extremely complex and emotionally charged. I surmise that some young people who were in Cuenta were risk takers.

I have talked to people seeking asylum who held England in high regard, misguided at best.
Its a worrying situation. Vulnerability and the sort of rage we see expressed in many places.

I don’t know - obviously there was no information available, only that he was a recent arrival and had no parents with him. As I said, he was a pleasant young man but most certainly not school age by a long way. This wasn’t just my opinion!

It made for a strange situation since we had to treat him like a 17 year old. He moved on, or was moved on, after a few weeks.

In what context?

Im baffled quite honestly by some of the reasoning about earlier colonisation, young people being risk takers, reinvention of oneself etc

Many of the young people are utterly traumatised by the journey and the pressure they're under having come here, they havent come here to take some sort of life adventure like a middle class gap year traveller.

What relevance do you think colonisation has to decision making for families? Most are not au fait with their own country's history and current politics believe it or not, let alone ours.

I have.

That's sad but why do they need low cost courses do learn ? I assume they are on spousal working visas and they can afford their own English class ?

If they have succesfully claimed assluym then yes they should get help with classes.

The French are working flat out trying to control that situation and providing intelligence to the UK, there is a lot of joint working but not every crossing can be prevented. Huge numbers of crossings are thwarted.

Do you work with asylum seekers?

Yes we read about this at work.

We have had similar (not exactly the same) which are then easily overturned at appeal. Im expecting this to be the same. However, who knows, the courts are often surprising.