AIBU to be deeply concerned about the recent influx of 30k+ undocumented arrivals in Spain?

Ah, a nuanced and thoughtful response.

They can stay in Africa

This migration crisis is being fuelled by birth rates. Africa has the highest birth rate in the world, and the African population is going to double.

Why are you talking to me like I’m stupid? I know where Ceuta is thanks! I was responding to you because you said they would need paper work to enter Spain. People also need paper work to enter the UK too… but a lot destroy theirs before making the journey via dinghy to the UK and are still allowed in! Not sure which part of that you didn’t understand?

In Africa....which is where Ceuta is.

Yep. I typed too quick. All the more reason for Spain to be wary of who they let in

*them.

See my post on expulsion and art. 89 CP.

Not really my question was more because it seems that you are very concerned about people from other countries moving to the UK whereas your own family have moved to Italy....

My point is people migrate for many reasons. If they can do so and meet the requirements from each country then that is fine. It is not more fine for rich than poor or more fine for white then brown. Either you have the right, earn the right, or you don't.

Wealthy migrants to poorer countries can also bring societal issue(such as driving up rents and property prices meaning that local people can no longer afford to live in their home towns.).

Some people move to other countries and never pay tax there, using elaborate regimens to avoid becoming fiscally resident whilst still taking advantage of the public services.

There should not be classism and racism when rights are involved. They should be equal. If your family meet Italy's criteria to move there that is absolutely fine. If a Moroccan 20 year old meets the criteria to move to Spain - also fine.

“There were so many people in the sea. Everyone was trying to grab on to you to save themselves, and you were trying to escape and move forward so they wouldn’t drag you down or drown you. The Moroccan police were pushing us toward the water and telling us ‘swim, swim’.”

Spain should deport him

Migrants. And why would you assume that noone would think that British people would be committing crimes? There have been several shootings in Spain in recent years linked to British gangs.

@IcedCoffee26 No, not expats if you think that’s a gotcha.

But even if we were, no one is roaming round in male gangs committing petty and not so petty crimes.

Also are your family Italian or British migrants to Italy?

Or are you an Italian migrant to the UK?

It is not "easy" and it depends on the nature of the sentence when this can be done. Furthermore, if you commit an offence which carries a prison sentence of over a year whilst on a temporary residency (IE your first five years) then you are likely to be deported. Look at art. 89.1 of our penal code.
https://www.boe.es/buscar/act.php?id=BOE-A-1995-25444#a89

Italy has a significantly larger issue than we do regarding irregular entries aka the protection of their borders.

I would argue that knowledge of Spanish immigration law and policy is fairly useful in a thread like this why people are panicking precisely because they have zero knowledge of our laws.

I have full faith that this government will put a stop to it. Not only that, I'm certain they will deport the 1 million plus that are here illegally and working in the black market, overstaying visas etc.

@IcedCoffee26 where my family live in Italy there has been an influx of South American immigrants who seem to be involved in gangs. They have come via Spain.

You are clearly well versed in Spanish immigration law, but that’s not really the point. Spain is clearly being seen as a stepping stone into the rest of Europe, not an end point.

@IcedCoffee26 ,

‘The UK should consider that even if you wanted to come back, you might not be granted the right to do so, particularly given the fact that there are various examples of the UK disregarding EU laws when you were members (one example that comes to mind is the UK maintaining whole life sentences despite this being in contravention of EU human rights legislation and the banning of torture).’

The EU would have us back in a heartbeat, although we wouldn’t get the same sweet deal. We are still a major country with a huge GDP and would be a net contributor.

I read an article in the Guardian today that Moroccan border officials allowed Morrocan but not from Sub Saharan citizens through. This was an eye witness account. Maybe also explains why they returned so quickly.

I think you are referring to an ECHR ruling - we haven't left the ECHR (yet). It seems there was a clarification/compromise in the end;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31110814
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/feb/03/european-human-rights-whole-life-tariff-hutchinson

Probably even the death penalty as well

IcedCoffee26
And again - having a criminal record is a reason for denial of nationality

Apparently, it's relatively easy to cancel/expunge your criminal record in Spain after a waiting period;

The cancellation of a criminal record (cancelación de antecedentes penales) is a legal procedure in Spain that allows a conviction to be removed from the official registry of the Ministry of Justice.

Once cancelled, the record is no longer visible in background checks.

https://www.gbabogados.co.uk/cancel-criminal-record-spain/

Wayne Couzens fully deserved a whole life tariff

I think that it is fine if the UK does not wish to rejoin the EU.

You guys voted out, I don't think you should be able to come back too easily otherwise it sets a standard that countries can leave and come back, IE opt out of cooperation when it suits and come back when it suits.

The UK should consider that even if you wanted to come back, you might not be granted the right to do so, particularly given the fact that there are various examples of the UK disregarding EU laws when you were members (one example that comes to mind is the UK maintaining whole life sentences despite this being in contravention of EU human rights legislation and the banning of torture).

I don't think anyone from let's say Spain or Portugal has an inherent right to move to this country. I do think it should be relatively easy for someone from that nation to move here for work or to stay and live (whilst not claiming benefits) but I don't think it should be a right for anyone who isn't a citizen