AIBU to be deeply concerned about the recent influx of 30k+ undocumented arrivals in Spain?

I think the bots are the ones that come onto these threads, where women have legitimate concerns about undocumented men from misogynistic cultures and from countries no one goes near, to shout them down, and shoe horn in ‘far right racism’. Bonus points if you can get ‘Reform’ in there. Try harder.

i think it's more to do with Morocco trying to cause some mischief in what they think is their own territory

They'd have to swim acros from north Africa first. Ceuta is not part of the Spanish mainland.

I think it’s actually exactly what’s needed and hopefully they’ll be lots more of it.

Europe has been a boiled frog for decades with a constant drip of economic migration that was tolerable at first: much like a tea with more than two sugars, but we’re 17 teaspoons in now, and it’s totally undrinkable.

If we move to mass migration, in waves of tens of thousands at a time, then they liberal elites will struggle to feel all cosy about it and the government won’t be able to pretend it’s not happening, then we might start talking seriously about how to manage it.

Ceuta isn't even in Schengen area. Apparently loads have left anyway already.

Is this yet another goady rubbish thread about immigration. The bots are out.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/10/french-officials-life-jackets-migrants-crossing-channel/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/2177798/france-lifejackets-channel-migrants

https://londondaily.com/french-returned-migrants-then-requested-their-life-jackets-back

Don't get swept up in the hysteria. This is not new, or mainline Spain, or anything more than an annoyance for Spanish officials to deal with.

Deeply concerned? Really? Do you have anxiety over other world events that don't affect you at all?

Are you aware that this webpage states that:

Asylum seekers are subject to a "no recourse to public funds" condition, meaning they are legally barred from claiming mainstream welfare benefits or standard social housing.

Where is the “free ride” for the people who the OP is concerned about?

Nobody can seem to explain this.

Of course the French authorities just give them free boats and life jackets...

Do you seriously believe that?

Where do you get this nonsense from? the Reform website? the Daily Mail comments?

Yes.

These men are not in Europe. Ceuta is not covered by Schengen. The immigration amnesty in Spain doesn't cover these men. They are already being shipped out.

This is clearly a politically orchestrated influx. And posts like this play directly into yhe hands of those behind it.

Ahh, so it's the Jews doing it. Of course. Presumably part of their great replacement plan. Or is this a whole new antisemitic conspiracy theory? It's hard to keep up.

No, I don’t think that everything that happens is Israel’s fault but if you see this ‘invasion’ as a political act with an aim to achieve an objective of more control over the Straits of Gibraltar then I’m just pointing out that they are strategic ally’s. The Spanish government has been one of the most outspoken critics of Israel.
If Russia was the Moroccan Government’s main strategic ally I would point that out too.

Chat gpt:

The relationship between Morocco and Israel has transformed from transactional diplomacy into a robust, institutionalized hard-power security axis. Originally formalized via the 2020 Abraham Accords—brokered alongside the United States—the allyship operates under realpolitik, prioritizing deep defense, intelligence, and economic convergence.

Deepening Military & Intelligence Integration
The 2026 Military Action Plan: In January 2026, the Royal Moroccan Armed Forces and the IDF signed a long-term Military Action Plan in Tel Aviv. This shifted cooperation from simple weapon sales to shared force development and joint strategic planning.

Advanced Defense Procurement: Israel has become Morocco's third-largest military supplier, providing hardware like Barak MX missile defense systems, two Ofek 13 satellites valued at $1 billion, and PULS rocket launchers.

Domestic Co-Production: The alliance includes technological transfers, creating joint production facilities inside Morocco to manufacture advanced uncrewed aerial vehicles (drones).

Operational Discretion: While the Moroccan public has protested actions in Gaza, the Rabat administration strategically separates political exposure from operational military co-operation.

The Strait of Gibraltar: Strategically, an alliance with Morocco yields immense geographic value regarding the world's primary maritime chokepoint.

Leverage Against Mutual Critics: This alignment heavily impacts European dynamics. As seen with the recent Ceuta migration crisis, Israel's vocal defense of Morocco's border pressures served to diplomatically punish Spain for its critical stances on Israel's military actions.

https://www.davidsonmorris.com/public-services-for-uk-migrants/

What “free ride” do we give to “economic migrants”?

I hadn't realised that Ceuta is a Spanish autonomous city in Northern Morocco and on the tip of the African continent. It's not on the Spanish mainland. So that's something I guess. Though horribly unpleasant for the people who live there. According to Spain's interior minister, 25,000 have already returned to wherever they came from.

So they coming over to what, rape European women? In countries with much harsher sentences for violence towards women than possibly their own countries?

I don't understand why you want to stop foreign aid if you don't want this kind of migration? Foreign aid is aimed at improving life in developing countries, so reduces "illegal" migration.

Well if they are claiming asylum then surely they have to disclose origins?

In theory yes, @Metalmotha, but their real origins and what they claim them to be can differ, and probably many hope to be part of a 100s of 1000s strong amnesty of the type Spain has recently (unwisely, IMO) granted

But...they wouldn't be swimming to Ceuta and therefore technically entering the EU if the enclave wasn't still annexed by Spain! So it's absolutely a consequence of colonisation! If it was just part of Morocco they wouldn't be heading there!

You understand that Ceuta is part of Spain albeit in the North African coast? You understand the implications of the recent Spanish Supreme Court decision?

Well if they are claiming asylum then surely they have to disclose origins? We need to make it almost impossible to claim asylum. It’s hard for people who actually need it, yes, but it’s now the only way..the past 24 hours should remove from anyone’s minds that. We simply cannot allow the current asylum laws to continue.

I think a lot of the concerns are based around women being fearful and scared of men. As a cohort their predatory nature speaks for itself. Yes I know not all men are like that.

Ceuta is as much part of Spain as NI is part of the UK. It’s not a colony or dependency - it’s an autonomous community just like Catalonia or Andalusia are.

We and Europe need to start a policy of immediate return for all people entering Europe without documentation

I don't disagree with the principle, @Metalmotha, but where should they be returned to, if the lack of ID means nobody can be sure where they actually came from originallly?

Many will arrive with a script about coming from some hellhole, which probably wouldn't take them back even if they did originate there , and then the "process" grinds into its endless life, meaning that the chances of actual removal can be small

They’re still on the African continent, half of them have gone back, at least 12 desperate people have drowned.
its a tragedy.