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AIBU to be deeply concerned about the recent influx of 30k+ undocumented arrivals in Spain?

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ChirpyUmberBiscuit · 31/07/2026 13:17

AIBU to feel really unsettled by the recent news coming out of Spain and Ceuta? Reports are showing that tens of thousands of undocumented migrants have crossed over in such a short window, completely overwhelming local infrastructure, reception centers, and security forces.

I know migration is always a sensitive and compassionate topic, but looking at these numbers practically, I don't see how any European border region can absorb 30,000 to 50,000 arrivals almost overnight without severe strain on public resources, local housing, and emergency services.

What worries me even more is the precedent it sets for the rest of Europe and the UK down the line. Surely there has to be a firm balance between humanitarian support and actual, enforceable border control?

Am I being completely unreasonable to view this as a serious policy and security crisis, or are others feeling equally concerned about where this leads?

Would love to hear honest thoughts on how this should actually be handled!

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Dappy777 · 04/08/2026 13:19

Of course birth rates play a role in migration. In parts of sub-Saharan Africa, women still have five or six children on average. That leads to huge, overcrowded slums that people want to escape.

I wish Africa well, but there comes a point when you have to take responsibility. It isn’t my fault that African women don’t use contraception. Africa has the highest birth rate in the world, and the African population is going to double, right in the middle of climate change. Where are those hundreds of millions of Africans going to go? Europe!! My home town is now so crowded I could scream. The roads are hell and the countryside is being ruined by endless new housing estates.

On top of that, mass migration profoundly changes a society. Small scale immigration is fine. It really can enrich you. But mass migration is different. No one asked for what has happened, and no one voted for it. Multiculturalism has been IMPOSED on Europe.

angelos02 · 04/08/2026 12:02

The government still aren't listening. Apparently the solution is legal routes. Where are all these people going to live? The UK's quality of life is in freefall. Having more people here isn't going to improve that. No-one ever answers the question of 'how many is too many'?

MaturingCheeseball · 04/08/2026 10:45

YesWeCan2026 · 04/08/2026 09:35

Err it’s not the birth rate fuelling the migration crisis. It’s war, authoritarian regimes, persecution, climate disasters, mineral extraction, arms sales that are fuelling the migration crisis.

It’s both. The population of the African continent is set to increase by half by 2050 and double by 2070 (see UN figures).

There will be untold pressure on resources and land. There will be insufficient food and water. Also China and Russia have bought up vast tracts of mineral-rich areas, and to “wage war” against the West will only need to drive millions of people towards Europe.

An additional problem is the Islamist push in African countries - forcing conversion or death, the extreme subjugation of women and girls and the drive to have very large families without means to support them.

LuckyHazelFox · 04/08/2026 09:37

YesWeCan2026 · 04/08/2026 09:35

Err it’s not the birth rate fuelling the migration crisis. It’s war, authoritarian regimes, persecution, climate disasters, mineral extraction, arms sales that are fuelling the migration crisis.

If we believe that we become more susceptible to unlimited immigration.

YesWeCan2026 · 04/08/2026 09:35

Dappy777 · 03/08/2026 19:52

This migration crisis is being fuelled by birth rates. Africa has the highest birth rate in the world, and the African population is going to double.

Err it’s not the birth rate fuelling the migration crisis. It’s war, authoritarian regimes, persecution, climate disasters, mineral extraction, arms sales that are fuelling the migration crisis.

Flyingintotheunknown · 04/08/2026 09:07

MaturingCheeseball · 04/08/2026 08:56

We’ve even descended into the “what’s British culture?” posts. I bet these posters do love, however, benefits culture . Perhaps that is indeed in their opinion what Britain should be known for.

Yeah. Exactly! We have so many historical land marks, ancient walls/ roads, lots of history, amazing cities, beautiful costal areas, our breathtaking countryside, different regions with different dialects….food, literature, music, museums etc. So much to see and do, yet all they can think about is drunken Brits and I’m sure they do love the benefits system seeing as that’s all that seems to be on their mind when they think of Britain 🤣

These people are a laugh a minute but as a proud Brit I’m not going to be told we don’t stand for anything while they try to dismiss and gaslight us into thinking we have no culture and don’t stand for anything…. so the woke left can go stick their “what do we stand for?” shit up their arse.

MaturingCheeseball · 04/08/2026 08:56

We’ve even descended into the “what’s British culture?” posts. I bet these posters do love, however, benefits culture . Perhaps that is indeed in their opinion what Britain should be known for.

LuckyHazelFox · 03/08/2026 21:29

This thread is officially now a parody. Anything this government does will be "automatically" better than the Tory government.

ShautyMels · 03/08/2026 21:21

No UK gov wants to be seen as "evil" for breaking "international law"

LuckyHazelFox · 03/08/2026 21:20

Pedallleur · 03/08/2026 21:11

Well the previous Govt of 14 years with it's numerous PMs huffing and puffing about migrants actually did nothing so anything this Govt did would automatically be better

Who has denied that?

Flyingintotheunknown · 03/08/2026 21:16

Pedallleur · 03/08/2026 21:12

What do we stand for?

Hahaha another woke lefty dumb comment. What does any nation stand for? Or are you trying to claim every other nation has a culture except Britain?

Stupid comment 🤣

Pedallleur · 03/08/2026 21:12

Flyingintotheunknown · 03/08/2026 21:08

Agreed. I’ve seen more division these last 2 years since this Labour government got in than I’ve seen in the whole of my 40 odd years on this planet. They seem to be against anything Britain and the British people stand for.

What do we stand for?

Pedallleur · 03/08/2026 21:11

angelos02 · 03/08/2026 14:51

I have full faith that this government will put a stop to it. Not only that, I'm certain they will deport the 1 million plus that are here illegally and working in the black market, overstaying visas etc.

Well the previous Govt of 14 years with it's numerous PMs huffing and puffing about migrants actually did nothing so anything this Govt did would automatically be better

ShautyMels · 03/08/2026 21:10

Flyingintotheunknown · 03/08/2026 21:08

Agreed. I’ve seen more division these last 2 years since this Labour government got in than I’ve seen in the whole of my 40 odd years on this planet. They seem to be against anything Britain and the British people stand for.

Especially going after those who've made a success in life as well

Downthedrainwithme · 03/08/2026 21:09

Regardless of the details what concerns me is that the way this particular story was reported should make people on both sides of the debate pause.

Most outlets have been blatantly misleading and took advantage of people's lack of geographical knowledge even I had to check when I saw claims of "swam to Spain" wondering how on earth tens of thousands managed an 8 mile swim across the Mediterranean.

Flyingintotheunknown · 03/08/2026 21:08

LuckyHazelFox · 03/08/2026 21:03

I know but these lefties just want to shut you up. Funny as they are the most vocal going when they want to condemn anyone they say divides Britain when they don't care about the integrity and heritage of UK. The biggest dividers are the hard left.

Agreed. I’ve seen more division these last 2 years since this Labour government got in than I’ve seen in the whole of my 40 odd years on this planet. They seem to be against anything Britain and the British people stand for.

LuckyHazelFox · 03/08/2026 21:03

Flyingintotheunknown · 03/08/2026 20:52

Wouldn’t mind but I’m the least racist person ever. Just don’t want our country being taken over by undocumented men who hang around parks and harass women and school children.

I know but these lefties just want to shut you up. Funny as they are the most vocal going when they want to condemn anyone they say divides Britain when they don't care about the integrity and heritage of UK. The biggest dividers are the hard left.

Flyingintotheunknown · 03/08/2026 20:53

bafta16 · 03/08/2026 20:51

Why do people say "card" It isn't a game?

OMG it’s a figure of speech. “Pulling the racist card” is a metaphor.

Flyingintotheunknown · 03/08/2026 20:52

LuckyHazelFox · 03/08/2026 20:48

Empty vessels x

Wouldn’t mind but I’m the least racist person ever. Just don’t want our country being taken over by undocumented men who hang around parks and harass women and school children.

bafta16 · 03/08/2026 20:51

Why do people say "card" It isn't a game?

LuckyHazelFox · 03/08/2026 20:48

Flyingintotheunknown · 03/08/2026 20:46

I had the same yesterday morning from another poster who told me im very racist. I responded to tell them to fuck off with their racist card and asked them to point out where I’d mentioned anything about skin colour. Lo and behold, no response. Crickets!

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Empty vessels x

Flyingintotheunknown · 03/08/2026 20:46

LuckyHazelFox · 03/08/2026 20:29

Just checking in @FredBares no response or explanation as to why you (lazily) called me racist. That's cleared itself up then.

I had the same yesterday morning from another poster who told me im very racist. I responded to tell them to fuck off with their racist card and asked them to point out where I’d mentioned anything about skin colour. Lo and behold, no response. Crickets!

LuckyHazelFox · 03/08/2026 20:39

likelysuspect · 03/08/2026 20:36

I highly doubt any of them did this as an asylum claim or genuine attempt to enter Spain. This seems politically motivated as some sort of protest or show or something like that.

Agree it is politically motivated. What's concerning is how far extending across Europe this is.

likelysuspect · 03/08/2026 20:36

38thparallel · 03/08/2026 12:06

So claiming asylum in Spain is not at all straightforward.

So who tricked them into thinking it was straightforward and provided tens of thousands of identical rubber rings?

I highly doubt any of them did this as an asylum claim or genuine attempt to enter Spain. This seems politically motivated as some sort of protest or show or something like that.

LuckyHazelFox · 03/08/2026 20:29

Just checking in @FredBares no response or explanation as to why you (lazily) called me racist. That's cleared itself up then.

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