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AIBU to be deeply concerned about the recent influx of 30k+ undocumented arrivals in Spain?

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ChirpyUmberBiscuit · 31/07/2026 13:17

AIBU to feel really unsettled by the recent news coming out of Spain and Ceuta? Reports are showing that tens of thousands of undocumented migrants have crossed over in such a short window, completely overwhelming local infrastructure, reception centers, and security forces.

I know migration is always a sensitive and compassionate topic, but looking at these numbers practically, I don't see how any European border region can absorb 30,000 to 50,000 arrivals almost overnight without severe strain on public resources, local housing, and emergency services.

What worries me even more is the precedent it sets for the rest of Europe and the UK down the line. Surely there has to be a firm balance between humanitarian support and actual, enforceable border control?

Am I being completely unreasonable to view this as a serious policy and security crisis, or are others feeling equally concerned about where this leads?

Would love to hear honest thoughts on how this should actually be handled!

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MaturingCheeseball · 08/08/2026 15:49

It had also been widely reported that the young Moroccans may have gone home, but not the sub-Saharan migrants.

HRTQueen · 08/08/2026 11:58

Of course it will happen again and again

people feel safer and more determined in numbers

and everyone who crosses knows the dangers that it’s not a guarantee that it will be safe or a success but it won’t stop them trying

JanesClinic · 08/08/2026 11:51

I was reading BBC news today and it says another wave is predicted for mid-August after BBC Arabic found dozens of Facebook posts and some had over 100k followers calling for another crossing and offering swimming equipment.

This has spooked quite a few EU countries, but mainly Italy who wont remove their border controls as they are worried about not only the first wave, but this impending second one. Now Spain have put border controls in place for Italy.

Hence lots of fighting over the Schengen border controls.

bafta16 · 07/08/2026 15:20

Dismissal of Real Issues: Many sociologists and critics note that the metaphor frames serious discussions of systemic bias as a mere "game". 1, 2]
Silencing Tool: The accusation is frequently used to invalidate or minimize legitimate complaints about discrimination by implying the person raising the issue is acting in bad faith.

Also from Google, clearly all crazed lefties.

The Myth of the “Race Card”

Solange Knowles, Zendaya Coleman, and the perils of being a black woman who speaks up.

https://newrepublic.com/article/136899/myth-race-card

Flyingintotheunknown · 07/08/2026 14:28

bafta16 · 07/08/2026 13:49

Of course I have heard the saying, it's nothing new. But it's not a metaphor and it's not a game.

I don't live under a rock. Thanks

If you’ve heard it and nothing new, why do you continue to drone on about it and act daft by saying “it’s not a game”! What a pointless argument!

Oh and just for you, straight from google
“Yes, "playing the race card" is a metaphor. It compares a real-world discussion or accusation about race and racism to a game of cards, where someone pulls out a hidden or powerful "trump card" to win an advantage or shift an argument.”

bafta16 · 07/08/2026 13:49

Of course I have heard the saying, it's nothing new. But it's not a metaphor and it's not a game.

I don't live under a rock. Thanks

Flyingintotheunknown · 06/08/2026 22:23

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bafta16 · 06/08/2026 22:07

Flyingintotheunknown · 03/08/2026 20:53

OMG it’s a figure of speech. “Pulling the racist card” is a metaphor.

Is it? Please explain. My understandting of metaphor is when one thing becomes another eg the sun was a ball of fire.
How is "playing the race card" a metaphor?

Popstarrrrr · 06/08/2026 15:01

LuckyHazelFox · 04/08/2026 09:37

If we believe that we become more susceptible to unlimited immigration.

I think if we don't believe that we become more susceptible to unlimited immigration. Understanding the root causes influences the systems and politics we advocate for.

Flyingintotheunknown · 06/08/2026 07:03

YesWeCan2026 · 05/08/2026 22:08

Seriously guys, what has this conversation become 😂

They keep arguing with me about something i wasn’t even talking about. I made my point and they think im talking about something else completely different. Been like this for 3 days now. I’m losing the will to live 🤦‍♀️🤣

Fredabasset · 05/08/2026 22:13

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YesWeCan2026 · 05/08/2026 22:08

Weald56 · 05/08/2026 18:09

Oh dear you seem to find it difficult to understand that there is a whole difference between travelling from Ceuta to mainland Spain and from France to the UK. Perhaps Geography wasn't your strong point at school?

Seriously guys, what has this conversation become 😂

Flyingintotheunknown · 05/08/2026 18:40

Weald56 · 05/08/2026 18:09

Oh dear you seem to find it difficult to understand that there is a whole difference between travelling from Ceuta to mainland Spain and from France to the UK. Perhaps Geography wasn't your strong point at school?

What the hell are you talking about?
You keep bleating on about people needing paperwork to get to Spain from Ceuta. But you’re missing my point when I said people also need paperwork to get from France to the Uk but they somehow get into the UK without paperwork! So your argument about needing “paperwork” for an illegal migrant doesn’t stand up when they destroy their paperwork and still get into Europe regardless.

Not once have I ever mentioned that I think Ceuta is in Spain or France! I didn’t mention anything about Ceuta or Morocco at all, I was simply making a point that your argument about paperwork is flawed when they are destroying documents but can enter a country anyway and claim asylum, whether they are coming from the Middle East or anywhere else in the world! Is my point really that difficult to understand? Are you going to keep banging on about Moroccan migrants can’t get into Spain without paperwork again? If so don’t bother because it’s irrelevant to my point.
Im not dumb! I know where Ceuta is! I know where Spain is. I know where France is. And I know where the UK is! However, you are making a complete fool of yourself arguing with me for 3 days about a point you have completely missed!
Have you got that now?
Jesus wept! 🙄

ShautyMels · 05/08/2026 18:40

What would France do if a boat went the other way?

Weald56 · 05/08/2026 18:09

Flyingintotheunknown · 04/08/2026 18:36

Errr no it was you who mentioned about people not being able to get into Spain without “paperwork” so don’t twist it on me and say I’ve got a bee in my bonnet

And my point is, anyone wanting to get to the UK also need the correct paperwork. Yet people are able to come here via boat without paperwork. That is all. No need for the round the houses irrelevant info

The rest of your post is irrelevant. And it’s you who’s getting your knickers in a twist keep going around in circles making irrelevant points in your replies other than the one I made 2 days ago. Can’t believe you’re still arguing with me about such a simple point I made.

Oh dear you seem to find it difficult to understand that there is a whole difference between travelling from Ceuta to mainland Spain and from France to the UK. Perhaps Geography wasn't your strong point at school?

MaIeficent · 04/08/2026 18:52

Happyjoe · 31/07/2026 16:33

So they coming over to what, rape European women? In countries with much harsher sentences for violence towards women than possibly their own countries?

Well, it's hardly stopped migrants doing it before. Were you not aware of the NYE when 1200 German women were sexually assaulted on one evening in attacks echoing the ones seen in the middle east?

Flyingintotheunknown · 04/08/2026 18:36

Weald56 · 04/08/2026 18:18

You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about "paper work" - so let's make it clear so even you can follow...If anyone is in Ceuta they need the correct documents to go to mainland Spain. Very few (if any) have managed to get to Spain as they didn't have the correct (or eporhaps any) documents. Virtually all those who entered Ceuta illegally a few days ago have returned, willingly or not, to Morocco (apart from those who sadly died, of course).

So you don't need to get your nickers in a twist like several Reform politicians have about those illegal entrants to Ceuta arriving at Calais or Dover any time. Clear enough?

Errr no it was you who mentioned about people not being able to get into Spain without “paperwork” so don’t twist it on me and say I’ve got a bee in my bonnet

And my point is, anyone wanting to get to the UK also need the correct paperwork. Yet people are able to come here via boat without paperwork. That is all. No need for the round the houses irrelevant info

The rest of your post is irrelevant. And it’s you who’s getting your knickers in a twist keep going around in circles making irrelevant points in your replies other than the one I made 2 days ago. Can’t believe you’re still arguing with me about such a simple point I made.

Weald56 · 04/08/2026 18:18

Flyingintotheunknown · 04/08/2026 18:12

What relevance has that got to do with what I said? I was talking about paper work!!!!! If you can’t respond with an appropriate answer to what I’ve said then don’t bother responding because I don’t have the patience for this all around the houses shit 🙄

You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about "paper work" - so let's make it clear so even you can follow...If anyone is in Ceuta they need the correct documents to go to mainland Spain. Very few (if any) have managed to get to Spain as they didn't have the correct (or eporhaps any) documents. Virtually all those who entered Ceuta illegally a few days ago have returned, willingly or not, to Morocco (apart from those who sadly died, of course).

So you don't need to get your nickers in a twist like several Reform politicians have about those illegal entrants to Ceuta arriving at Calais or Dover any time. Clear enough?

Flyingintotheunknown · 04/08/2026 18:12

Weald56 · 04/08/2026 18:10

How many illegal entries have been made from Ceuta to Spain? I'll save you the bother of looking this up...virtually zero.

What relevance has that got to do with what I said? I was talking about paper work!!!!! If you can’t respond with an appropriate answer to what I’ve said then don’t bother responding because I don’t have the patience for this all around the houses shit 🙄

Weald56 · 04/08/2026 18:10

Flyingintotheunknown · 03/08/2026 18:14

Why are you talking to me like I’m stupid? I know where Ceuta is thanks! I was responding to you because you said they would need paper work to enter Spain. People also need paper work to enter the UK too… but a lot destroy theirs before making the journey via dinghy to the UK and are still allowed in! Not sure which part of that you didn’t understand?

How many illegal entries have been made from Ceuta to Spain? I'll save you the bother of looking this up...virtually zero.

Flyingintotheunknown · 04/08/2026 17:10

LuckyHazelFox · 04/08/2026 17:08

Especially the historian bit!

God knows why that poster has plucked that word up from nowhere. I swear they just dream up stuff and post whatever enters their mind, even if it has no relevance to anything lol

LuckyHazelFox · 04/08/2026 17:08

Flyingintotheunknown · 04/08/2026 17:04

According to you lefties we don’t have a culture and we don’t stand for anything anyway so why are you so bothered? 🤣 Or is that another cheap shot that has no relevance to the post you quoted?

Especially the historian bit!

Flyingintotheunknown · 04/08/2026 17:04

bafta16 · 04/08/2026 16:15

You do make me have a little chuckle really. Are you a Historian? Which parts of English heritage are you so keen to protect from lefties/ refugees?

According to you lefties we don’t have a culture and we don’t stand for anything anyway so why are you so bothered? 🤣 Or is that another cheap shot that has no relevance to the post you quoted?

LuckyHazelFox · 04/08/2026 16:59

bafta16 · 04/08/2026 16:15

You do make me have a little chuckle really. Are you a Historian? Which parts of English heritage are you so keen to protect from lefties/ refugees?

Not at all sure what your question has to do with my post.

bafta16 · 04/08/2026 16:15

LuckyHazelFox · 03/08/2026 21:03

I know but these lefties just want to shut you up. Funny as they are the most vocal going when they want to condemn anyone they say divides Britain when they don't care about the integrity and heritage of UK. The biggest dividers are the hard left.

You do make me have a little chuckle really. Are you a Historian? Which parts of English heritage are you so keen to protect from lefties/ refugees?

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