Anyone else surprised that there isn’t more uproar about global warming right now?

Not sure you get the point.

Weather and climate are different things.

What we have now is weather. We’ve always had hot summers going into the 30s for as long as I can remember.

We’ve been lowering our carbon emissions for the last 50 years, and aggressively for nearly 30. We are poorer because of it. When are the other countries going to look at us and decide they want to be this poor and miserable too?

Because it all feels a bit pointless. Nothing ever really changes - the water systems continue to leak and be polluted, the private planes continue to fly, the fertilisers poison the land, the landfills pile up. In the meantime, the people continue to struggle to pay their bills, the economy is crap, bills and prices climb…

We ARE leading the way. What do you think Net 0 by 2050 is?

They are giving something back by investing in more renewable infrastructure! In 5 years or so the UK will be self sufficient for electricity through renewables and nuclear.

what about the billions given to fossil fuel suppliers who make huge profits - do they not give anything back? 🤷‍♀️

I agree it won’t save the world just the UK doing it, but many other countries are doing it too. And energy security will be a huge benefit

You completely misunderstood the point of my post - the “giving back” side is the profit which companies expect to make - that’s why prices are tied to be competitive against gas. Why would Green Energy Co spend billions buying infrastructure from China, producing “green” electricity, and not making a profit on it because it’s so cheap? The very reason the government tied the price of “green” energy to gas is so that the producer wants to produce in order to make a reasonable profit for their risk. Have you seen the proposed prices for Milliband’s next auction round? So much doe lowering our energy bills 🤬

Are the celebs still travelling to climate change “conferences” in private jets?

Are wealthy politicians going on holidays abroad? When their children should be at school?

I haven’t read the thread I’ll be honest because most of these threads go the same way.

You’ll get someone arguing that no one does anything to help climate change. Ranting about all those OTHER people going on holiday. THEY however never go on holiday. And the ONLY reason they drive a massive SUV is because it’s SAFER for their CHILDREN so anyone who thinks they should get rid of their car wants their children dead.

Then someone else will start saying it’s all due to overpopulation. Everyone should stop having so many children. They are so so worried about overpopulation because of the quality of life their FOUR children will have in the future. Oh but the only reason they had four children (ages 1,3,5 and 7) is because they didn’t realise climate change was a thing when they were planning them! This is all brand new information but everyone should NOW absolutely stop having children.

Then you’ll get a vegan saying everyone should stop eating meat. Followed by someone saying their child will only eat processed meat due to a disability and do vegans want their child to starve??? But it’s ok because their family walks everywhere.

Then someone will say they never eat meat, never drive, only has one child but yes they do fly multiple times a year to visit family. I mean do you expect the child to NEVER see their family???? How selfish!

And so on it goes. Everyone has their reason for doing supposed “bad thing” but apparently make up for it elsewhere.

We are leading the way and many other parts of the world couldn’t give a crap about you really think Hong Kong is going to turn off or limit it air conditioning system because we say so ?

It isn't about turning off air conditioning but green technologies and we're certainly not leading the way there

Do ppl think we should all stop flying anywhere? I'm curious. I'm tempted to stop completely but there's still a couple places I'd like to go....

Well we (me and my family) have been wondering this for years! Not just during this heatwave. The signs have been there for all of us to see for many, many years. My 14yr old daughter has been saying since she was about 10, when she hears the news, that "All the issues on the news reports (house prices, war etc etc) are all so insignificant as problems compared to the climate crisis, and this should be the ONLY news". And I agree. Her and I were just discussing (again) yesterday that we can think and say this all we want, but unfortunately we are just little people who (although we try to do our bit) don't have the influence/power to orchestrate the change needed. What can we do!!??

We still think carbon capture is the way forward.

I didn't actually say we weren't.

Although I'm not sure we can claim to be The Nation Leader...we need to be bolder.

Well I just do the best I can. I am looking forward to a holiday, but I don’t drive far, have a hybrid)can’t afford ev), buy “green” electricity. I do care about the world but I can’t change what everyone else does 🤷🏽‍♀️

Agree. What makes people think other countries will necessarily follow?

And yet mention that you’re getting ac on MN and the pearl clutching about the damage to the environment is ridiculous.

There are many reasons this country has got poorer over the last few decades and net zero policies really isn’t the primary one. Other more important factors include poor productivity, economic inactivity, Brexit, austerity, an aging population, and the global shocks we’ve experienced over the last few years (COVID, wars in Ukraine and Iran).

Anyway, I’d rather be poorer and preserve the planet for our children than richer and burn it down.

Will countries around the world ban more than two airline trips a year for everyone, will they halt massive cruise ships from docking and disgorging crowds to see the sights en masse, will they improve air quality by banning fossil fueled vehicles and heavy emission industries, etc. - oh you get the drift.

Despite all our efforts, when we look around at places like the US, everything is based on car and air travel, with a million cruises thrown in. They use air con from April to October and heat the rest of the time, they are in general averse to drying laundry outdoors, so the dryer is going every day and recycling is hit and miss. These sort of things make me unsurprised that climate change will not ease anytime soon.

I will do my little bit as best I can, but I often feel I am being laughed at by the tokenist element of Climate Change agreements.

You know why China is leading the way in "green" technologies and we aren't? Their energy prices are far cheaper, because they are largely powered by COAL, which is mined by people paid a pittance. We cannot compete because we A - pay far, far, higher wages, and B - are buying all our power infrastructure from China, which produces it far more cheaply than we can... FFS.

I dont think it's helpful being rude to people, but you do you

Yet a huge number of people on here still have gas boilers - they are rightfully being judged extremely harshly.

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