Neighbours angry at DS for snapping back and daughter’s homophobia - hypocrisy??

Ffs the CHILD made the declaration he was gay. He came to that decision himself

"Pushing a gay agenda"? Wtf even is that? Straight is pushed in every child's face from a very young age....

Saying you're gay at 10 doesn't lock you into holding that identity for life

Well, with respect, if you have read the thread, and given the number of times you have posted yourself on it already, then I think you should be able to work it out.

Yes, I have read the whole thread. Still not clear what bit you're referring to, then.

You are right specifically but equally you have not read the whole thread which has moved to focus on issues that underlie the original post.

Sorry, but what are you actually on about?!
How are you getting all that from the OP?
Or this thread in general, in fact?!
Nobody's pushing any "gay agenda.' It's literally 11 and 13 year olds saying who they fancy 😕

I think it’s a shame Turkey cancelled on them as had sailed there before without issue but it’s their right to decline anyone they choose. I think Egypt was a bonkers substitution though. We’ve been denied entry into one country due to homophobia let’s go to another that has a worse reputation.

I do think your DS language was wrong and you need to think about getting him some help working on his self-esteem and some outlets to make new friends.

The attitudes here are telling though- at 13 he is apparently old enough to display an adult level of resilience and emotional maturity despite having been bullied, deserves to be alone, and as someone pointed out is above the age of criminal responsibility.

However at the same age, he shouldn't know his sexuality, shouldn't have any crushes and shouldn't ever talk about who he fancies. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

You tell me not to make personal comments because it "demeans the argument" and then make increasing more exaggerated personal comments about me.

Claiming you can't be X because you associate with people in the category X is against isn't ever an acceptable defence. And you're making more hyperbolic statements. Forgetting to put milk in their tea is not the same as making homophobic comments and assumptions about people and you know that full well. You're trying to discredit me with completely ridiculous comparisons and it's blindingly obvious to everyone

Your comments disregarded asexuals and aromantics (notice you missed them out). They are still a misunderstood and maligned section of society who are much less open about their sexuality because of assumptions like yours (that they just mean friendships). You may well know someone who is asexual or aromantic but they aren't "out"

40 years ago nobody talked about being gay as there was such a stigma to it!
You wouldn't dare come out as fancying the same sex to your mates.
It was literally illegal to mention being gay to kids as well due to section 28 law. It was only ever used as an insult.
Seems to be that some attitudes are still stuck there. It's not a big thing anymore. Or shouldn't be.

He wasn't talking about crushes to an 8 year old though.
The 8 year old overheard the conversation.

Everything is offensive to you. You probably shout at your own shadow for behaving offensively.

I do have one gay friend (so funny), and I work with a lot of people who I know are gay. But it makes zero difference as I have no interest who they have relationships with, and they dont shout "homophobe" every time I forget to put milk in their coffee. If I ever judge them its on their professional ability and their qualities as a person, not on anything else.

I have zero issues with asexual people. I just never met one, ever.

If you display prejudices then I'm going to call them out. You just don't like hearing it

Oh, but sorry, you can't be homophobic because "you have gay friends" 🤣🤣🤣

I explained asexual and aromantic, you conflating it to essentially "being confused by friendships" is offensive. As is the way you're dismissing them.

Maybe. What do I know? I only have one kid and I went to school in a communist country good 40 years ago - there was definitely no talk about crushes or gays or anything of that sort...

Yes, I mean this thread is one of many with examples of this.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/parenting/5547656-12-year-olds-in-a-relationship

You need to stop assuming things about people and stop putting labels on them. It would give your arguments much more weight. Getting personal just makes you look childish.

I explained I dont understand aromantics or asexual. Each to their own, I guess, but its probably not a common thing or not something one would encounter as often, for example, as gay people (who you think I hate and who I deal with on the daily basis and who would be surprised at me being described as a homophobe)

The abusive language very bad.

Otoh it's unfair to assume he's always talking about crushes because he was in this case. Many kids this age have innocent crushes and chat about them to friends. Nothing wrong with that.

You're being absurd. When I was in primary school, kids talked about their crushes from a very young age (I'd guess around 7 - likely well before they even had any real understanding of what sex was, and certainly no interest in it). It was certainly very common come secondary school.

It's not appropriate to conflate that, which is normal childhood behavioir, to talking about sex.

She shouldn't have called him weird & wasn't just stating a fact but teasing him about being a gay boy.

I agree DS was a twat though!

in addition some people consider swearing a lot worse than any level of homophobia or other issues.

• that seems very wrong to me. Swearing per se is definitely less bad than discrimination based on sex, race etc

But the abusiveness of the swearing in this context 'fuck off' and 'bitch' is very disturbing. And to an 8yo..

There's nothing wrong with talking about crushes but 13yos etc are at a different developmental stage, so I agree that is worrying.

Except he was talking to an 11 year old and the 8 year old was eavesdropping

Oh sorry, that changes my views. It is odd to talk about crushes to an 8yo when you're 13.

far he is talking about sex and how he views girls.

• why is a 10yo taking about crushes sexual?

How he views girls- how do you mean?

I do think the 'bitch' comment was really worrying. 8yo was wrong but that was out of order.

I asked what you define a relationship as, yes, and then I explained why that isn't the same for everyone

But now you're prejudices are on show again by dismissing asexuals and aromantics and completely missing the point. Asexuals can be romantically attracted but feel no sexual attraction, aromantics can feel sexual attraction but not romantic attraction. Both are aware their friendship relationships are not the same as their sexual or romantic relationships