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Trans widow and feel so much pain for her

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Hotandbithered · 04/07/2026 16:10

I know this is not actually my grief but DH has a good friend who we have known throughout our marriage, let’s call him Steve.

Steve was married to Jess and had two children.

We spent a lot of time with them over the years. Camping trips, dinners, bbqs, birthdays. Steve was your classic sort of male really. He was quite attractive, funny, polite, well educated and both he and Jess very successful, had a beautiful home.

Anyway getting to the point. Almost out of the blue (to us at least), a few years ago Steve began transitioning. He is not short of money and has had facial surgery multiple times, paid for himself. He is extremely supportive of the trans community and recognises he is lucky he can access this sort of treatment.

Jess stayed with him through this, went to the appointments, talked to their kids about what this meant (primary age) and tried to stick in the marriage. It’s now broken down and they are doing their best to be great co parents to their children.

Jess’ grief is immeasurable. This couple always seemed so in love, so respectful of one another. She says she feels like her husband has died yet she has to experience this new person in his place, like he’s been stolen from her. I too have felt this obviously to a much lesser degree, but its truly life changing to even be affected by it even a little bit.

I should add that I have no strong views on what or who people choose to be but I suppose I am shocked that a person can live a lie for so long and especially put their children through it? DH has tried to be supportive but I think struggles more with Steve’s new interests more than anything, as in they don’t have much to talk about anymore as Steve is consumed by this (I suppose understandably) and his focus on what makes him a woman rather than anything else.

I don’t know what I am asking really. Just feel grief for Jess and for DH and wonder if others have been through similar how they navigated it.

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Naunet · 04/07/2026 17:55

forgotmyusername1 · 04/07/2026 17:51

Or steve could have chosen not to marry a heterosexual woman and father children with her

But dont you understand, poor Steve is the victim here (somehow) and therefore not expected to take any accountability or responsibility for his actions as a grown adult.

CateyeKate · 04/07/2026 17:54

Jaxhog · 04/07/2026 17:50

I could forgive men who want to become women if it was just that. But they seem to want to deny every 'male' experience they had before at the cost of denying their families and friends experiences of them. Why can't they just say that they have a burning desire NOW to experience the remainder of their lives as a woman?

My niece's ex is the same. Goes online ranting and raving about his rights etc and says he is a woman and therefore female yet if you challenge him with 'Well how come you've managed to get two women pregnant, four times?' he suddenly becomes quite silent.

Italiangreyhound · 04/07/2026 17:54

*AnneLovesGilbert I'd certainly not be encouraging my kids to call my partner, ex to be called mummy anything. *

I hope your friend gets help.

SexIsReal · 04/07/2026 17:54

Hotandbithered · 04/07/2026 17:08

@AnneLovesGilbert they call her mummy (new name)

Child abuse

StrangeGree · 04/07/2026 17:53

OhcantthInkofaname · 04/07/2026 17:51

But Steve has "died" and another person appeared.

He has voluntarily chosen to abandon his wife and children and foist a clown like fake ness into their lives. He ain’t dead, he’s toxic.

Instructions · 04/07/2026 17:52

Poor Jess. How awful a thing to have happen to you. Their poor children too.

Whatshernamee · 04/07/2026 17:52

Don't call her a widow.
I have friends who are widows and there is no comparison.

It's only my opinion but I think she should divorce him.
And asking the children to call him mummy is ridiculous.

If he wants to change gender that's his choice but his poor kids don't need their heads messed up.

She'd be better off of they lived separately.

StrangeGree · 04/07/2026 17:51

If I were Jess’ friend I’d chat to her about how to get away from the mental illness and keep her children out of its orbit. Move too far away from him for him to ever visit, if you’re a widow…. You don’t have to be haunted, right?
try to go nc.

forgotmyusername1 · 04/07/2026 17:51

CatesandAle · 04/07/2026 17:31

The huge irony here is that the kind of bigotry expressed on this thread contributes to the fact that people like Steve aren’t just open about being trans from the get go.

Trans people really can’t win on MN, if Steve had asked to transition as a child, and been allowed to, we know how that would have been received on here. He didn’t so here we are.

I think the phrase ‘trans widow’ is in extremely poor taste given that many families experience actual widowhood and actual loss of a parent.

I support single-sex spaces for biological women, but the fact remains that the prejudice and hostility of many on here towards trans people will actively contribute to creating more situations like Jess’s in the future.

Or steve could have chosen not to marry a heterosexual woman and father children with her

OhcantthInkofaname · 04/07/2026 17:51

Limeandfigs · 04/07/2026 16:21

I know it's the fashionable phrase but the use of 'widow' here really grates. No-one has died. The children still have their father. I know you're just using the common terminology OP, it's not a dig at you personally.

Ultimately both Steve and Jess are long term friends and all you can do is support them and their family. The breakdowns of relationships for whatever reason are always hard on everyone when you've been together for so long.

But Steve has "died" and another person appeared.

Jaxhog · 04/07/2026 17:50

I could forgive men who want to become women if it was just that. But they seem to want to deny every 'male' experience they had before at the cost of denying their families and friends experiences of them. Why can't they just say that they have a burning desire NOW to experience the remainder of their lives as a woman?

Naunet · 04/07/2026 17:50

CatesandAle · 04/07/2026 17:31

The huge irony here is that the kind of bigotry expressed on this thread contributes to the fact that people like Steve aren’t just open about being trans from the get go.

Trans people really can’t win on MN, if Steve had asked to transition as a child, and been allowed to, we know how that would have been received on here. He didn’t so here we are.

I think the phrase ‘trans widow’ is in extremely poor taste given that many families experience actual widowhood and actual loss of a parent.

I support single-sex spaces for biological women, but the fact remains that the prejudice and hostility of many on here towards trans people will actively contribute to creating more situations like Jess’s in the future.

Yes poor, poor Steve, all he wants is to force his kids to pretend they now have 2 mums. Poor Steve. 🙄

Italiangreyhound · 04/07/2026 17:49

Support the wife and kids.

You are a good friend.

It must be awfully hard.

Thebigarsedbitch · 04/07/2026 17:48

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Naunet · 04/07/2026 17:47

StrangeGree · 04/07/2026 17:16

You don’t know if I’m traumatised. Yet you’re policing me.

How am I policing you? I've not told you how you can or cant describe yourself.

itsgettingweird · 04/07/2026 17:47

BobbieTables · 04/07/2026 16:12

I'd keep your nib out.

Helpful suggestion.

If you’re friends with someone for over 2 decades you think you know them just like you think you know a spouse or family member.

Any deviation from what you believe a person to be to something else always requires a period of transition with regards the relationship.

I think the easiest thing is for you to do what you feel comfortable with. If you don’t feel like going on a camping trip or night out with Steve - then don’t.

of you still feel comfortable doing these things with Jess - then carry on.

With regards to dealing with it when with Jess - take her lead. Don’t they and hope any thoughts you have about - “dishonesty” has already caused this situation.

It not going to be something anyone can advise you how to deal with specifically. You just need to keep communication open and honest.

Lovelyview · 04/07/2026 17:46

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Peachesx2606 · 04/07/2026 17:46

Naunet · 04/07/2026 17:07

But 'dead name' is ok?

But dead name is about the old name and identity being 'dead' not that the person is dead.

LBFseBrom · 04/07/2026 17:46

I understand how you are feeling, these are your friends after all and you sound as though you are a very good friend.

Just carry on being kind and supportive, a listening ear. Jess needs that more than anything. She will get through it but it is understandably very hard for her. It wouldn't have been easy for Steve either but ultimately he made the choice. I'm sure he still loves Jess but in a different way and probably feels a lot of guilt.

It is good they are managing to co-parent well.

Jaxhog · 04/07/2026 17:45

Why is it ok to use the expression 'deadname' yet not 'transwidow'?

Dollymylove · 04/07/2026 17:43

It must be hard for all concerned. I couldn't, in all conscience, start calling a bloke i had known for years by a female name and use she/her.
His children must be confused about it all

dapsnotplimsolls · 04/07/2026 17:42

Here's the thread

Trans Widows' Escape Committee 6: The Next Generation | Mumsnet https://share.google/WzdHGjGIaPv4Nabxv

Jaxhog · 04/07/2026 17:42

Grammarnut · 04/07/2026 17:16

No, they don't have two good parents. They have a mother who cannot grieve her widowhood and a narcissist who wants to parade his fetish in public and who will not be a good parent since he is obsessed with himself. Sadly, his erstwhile wife should divorce him and get away because the pathway he is on will only lead to her greater grief. Her husband has died, but worse, he is denying he ever was her husband and turned every memory she and their children have to a lie.

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Its actually worse than this. He's not only denying that he was her husband, he's also denying that he is a father to their children. Even if they divorce and he has some form of access, he will be asking them to deny the dad that they though they had and recognise this new person who claims to be someone else.

Sugarplumfairycakes1 · 04/07/2026 17:41

CatesandAle · 04/07/2026 17:31

The huge irony here is that the kind of bigotry expressed on this thread contributes to the fact that people like Steve aren’t just open about being trans from the get go.

Trans people really can’t win on MN, if Steve had asked to transition as a child, and been allowed to, we know how that would have been received on here. He didn’t so here we are.

I think the phrase ‘trans widow’ is in extremely poor taste given that many families experience actual widowhood and actual loss of a parent.

I support single-sex spaces for biological women, but the fact remains that the prejudice and hostility of many on here towards trans people will actively contribute to creating more situations like Jess’s in the future.

I'm a widow. My children lost their parent. I have every sympathy for these poor women (and children) and they absolutely are widows. At least we can grieve and have memories. Trans widows and children are completely gaslit and told their lives have been a lie. Selfish, porn addled man.

EssexLounger · 04/07/2026 17:40

shuggles · 04/07/2026 17:33

@Hotandbithered I should add that I have no strong views on what or who people choose to be but I suppose I am shocked that a person can live a lie for so long and especially put their children through it?

The part I struggle with is that, for a man to become married and have children, there is a colossal amount of work involved. The man first needs to meet a woman... then he needs to gain her interest... then he has to be interesting enough that the woman actually wants to be around him... then they have to find a home together... then they need to organise and pay for a wedding... then there is all the decision-making and planning associated with having children...

I can't fathom just how much work that is, and yet, certain men are happy to push forward with that huge mountain of labour while concealing a massive lie at the same time.

I am firmly of the opinion that no gay man, or man that identifies as transgender, that is still in the closet, should ever be going near a woman with the intent of having a relationship.

What lie is he living? He's a heterosexual man. He will soon be living a lie (in that he is a woman and that he always was).