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Secondary school does not allow D.Martens

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corporategreen · 28/11/2024 11:59

Dd in Y7 - unfortunatelly we picked the wrong school, teachers don’t stay long, behaviour is appaling, bullying is not dealt with and I even found a video on YT of a parent beating up one of her child’s colleagues - a disabled girl (apparently club feet) at the school gates.
Dd says that disable girl is a bully but I don’t know the full story.

Anyway, the school uniform rules say black shoes. I let Dd use her black DM boots. The issue took an issue with it because DMs are not school shoes - but a lot of students wear kickers that looks like boots so I really don’t see a problem.
I’ve had notes sent home and a few meetings to discuss the matter. Everytime I tell then that they should be worried and using their time and energy to fix the real problems the school have, and the shoes Dd wears does not impact her learning.

Then in one of the meetings they asked Dd why she loves her DMs so much and why she is so attached to it and she reply along the lines that it is because it makes her feel safe as they are strong and sturdy and she feels that she can kick bullies if needed.

Now, Dd has never been involved in or accused of bullying and she is going from an confident / outgoing girl to fearful and insecure. I did not know this is how she felt about the DMs.

Now the school is using what she said against us, saying that she should not be encouraged to think about violence even if it is for self defence. Dd’s life now is hell as every school staff now comments on her DMs to her daily, all day long saying ‘those are not school shoes and you are breaking the rules’

I’m trying to convince her to buy a pair of kickers just so the harassment stops and she can actually focus on learning.

Yes I already applied for school transfer.

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Capercaille · 28/11/2024 20:52

KillerTomato7 · 28/11/2024 20:42

You may be surprised to hear that for most people, wearing the wrong shoes to school is not considered a serious moral failure or a sign of bad parenting, latent psychopathy, etc.

Generally speaking, when you have good students becoming defiant and expressing a need to physically defend themselves against bullies, that’s a good sign that adults aren’t doing their jobs.

And I’m someone who would have just made her wear the school shoes out of the “pick your battles” principle. At this point, I think OP should just let her daughter make her own decisions and serve the detentions, if it’s that important to her. So no further need for meetings and wasted time on either side.

It might suprise you to hear that I'm taking about defiance when referencing bad behaviour.

pizzaHeart · 28/11/2024 20:53

DMs are boots. Boots are not allowed at the school. What school does about bullying etc is a separate issue.

cardibach · 28/11/2024 21:08

What evidence do you have that the OP’s DD isa good student? All Ian see is repeated refusal to follow a simple rule and threats of violence.

cardibach · 28/11/2024 21:08

pizzaHeart · 28/11/2024 20:53

DMs are boots. Boots are not allowed at the school. What school does about bullying etc is a separate issue.

DMs aren’t all boots. This has been discussed endlessly if the OP would buy DM shoes there wouldn’t be an issue.

KillerTomato7 · 28/11/2024 21:30

cardibach · 28/11/2024 21:08

What evidence do you have that the OP’s DD isa good student? All Ian see is repeated refusal to follow a simple rule and threats of violence.

OP says she has had no other behavior problems at school, and there’s no evidence she’s lying unless we’re using the Mumsnet theory of logic, whereby any information that supports our viewpoint is true, while anything that contradicts it is a lie.

It is natural that an 11 year old frustrated by unchecked bullying would make an isolated comment about kicking a bully. That does not mean that they were the real problem all along. It means they are frustrated that the adults charged with safeguarding them can’t be bothered to do it.

It’s interesting how often schools will allow bullying to continue for months or years, and only take action against the victim when they respond. It’s almost like the “good” students are seen as low-hanging fruit that schools can crack down on to give the superficial appearance of order, whereas “bad” students are less attractive targets because they are harder to manage, and less likely to have parents that “support the school.”

cardibach · 28/11/2024 21:34

The more you write @KillerTomato7 , the less I think you are a teacher or know anything about schools at all.

LazyArsedMagician · 28/11/2024 21:36

The height on the ankle is the pretty much the same for DMs and kickers

That is a lie and you know it.

She could wear trousers and then no one would know. You could have just bought her shoes - as I'm 100% certain the uniform policy would have stated No Boots - but you didn't.

Look, I agree with you that shoes or boots don't matter a jot when it comes to learning. But for what reason are you encouraging your daughter to be told off every single day rather than just resolving the situation? Even if you move schools, she's unlikely to be allowed to wear boots.

KillerTomato7 · 28/11/2024 21:52

cardibach · 28/11/2024 21:34

The more you write @KillerTomato7 , the less I think you are a teacher or know anything about schools at all.

The more you write, the more I wonder if you are from this planet at all.

cardibach · 28/11/2024 21:57

KillerTomato7 · 28/11/2024 21:52

The more you write, the more I wonder if you are from this planet at all.

See, this is the kind of nonsense I’m talking about.

cansu · 28/11/2024 22:16

Killertomato is here! The teacher's friend. The voice of reason and font of all knowledge on the pettiness and general awfulness of schools.

Doubledded123 · 28/11/2024 22:18

Resitinas · 28/11/2024 12:32

These entitled posts drive me up the wall.

OP, here it is spelled out:

You're responsible as a parent for ensuring your daughter is in receipt of a suitable full-time education.

To fulfil this responsibility, you've chosen to send her to a school.

The school has rules around behaviour and uniform. Very standard. In choosing to send her there, you have also by default chosen to accept these rules.

You must therefore ensure she is dressed in line with the uniform policy of the school or expect there to be sanctions.

Whether or not you feel the boots don't impact her learning is irrelevant. Whether or not your DD feels "safer" in them is irrelevant. Whether or not your DD loves her DM boots is irrelevant. Whether or not you think the rule is stupid is irrelevant. Whether or not every other student in the place is wearing what you think are non-policy shoes is irrelevant. Your concern is your DD.

Follow the rules of the school you chose until such time as you can choose a different option to fulfil your parental responsibility.

This

soupfiend · 28/11/2024 22:19

eRobin · 28/11/2024 12:05

It’s more likely that the disabled child has been bullied relentlessly for a long time and is finally fighting back

Is it? Are people and children with disabilities unable to be bullies then? Unable to be unpleasant?

KillerTomato7 · 28/11/2024 22:54

cansu · 28/11/2024 22:16

Killertomato is here! The teacher's friend. The voice of reason and font of all knowledge on the pettiness and general awfulness of schools.

I’m surprised it took you so long to get here, when this poor school needed someone ti blindly defend it. Honestly, it’s fair to say that I have supported a school’s position far more often than you have ever admitted fault.

I genuinely don’t understand who you think is impressed by your “We can do no wrong! Thou shalt support the school!” act. No one is being won over by the sheer force of your arrogance. Unless you’re not trying to persuade people and are just using the criticism to fuel a martyr complex.

if so, get down off your cross. We need the wood.

cansu · 28/11/2024 22:55

😂
Brilliant 👏

ColourReflectioxLights · 29/11/2024 00:22

Dress code at a work place of mine included no DMs

PollyPut · 29/11/2024 14:00

LazyArsedMagician · 28/11/2024 21:36

The height on the ankle is the pretty much the same for DMs and kickers

That is a lie and you know it.

She could wear trousers and then no one would know. You could have just bought her shoes - as I'm 100% certain the uniform policy would have stated No Boots - but you didn't.

Look, I agree with you that shoes or boots don't matter a jot when it comes to learning. But for what reason are you encouraging your daughter to be told off every single day rather than just resolving the situation? Even if you move schools, she's unlikely to be allowed to wear boots.

@LazyArsedMagician OP did buy her DD shoes. But lets her DD wear boots instead. When the policy clearly says shoes, not boots.

@corporategreen just get her to wear shoes to school. That part of the problem is then solved.

When DD's feet grow then get her DM shoes if you really want her to wear DMs and if they are in the rules.

Focus on the bigger things...

Makingchocolatecake · 29/11/2024 22:19

My sister wore DMs at school. She coloured the stitching in black though because we had to have plain black shoes.

Not surprised they have an issue with them if she says they are good for kicking bullies though.

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