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Shouted at by male midwife mid panic attack

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ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 12:05

Hi all,

Yesterday, I attended the Early Pregnancy Unit for a suspected miscarriage. Due to complex PTSD from a violent sexual assault, I generally can't see male providers without prior notice, and sometimes only with my husband present in regards to female examinations. This has never been an issue. At my usual hospital, this is flagged on my chart to avoid misunderstandings and so I don’t need to explain. However, since I was bleeding, my midwife recommended I go to a closer hospital, where I’d been seen before (without any issues). I take it on board I should have mentioned it, however as I’d been seen before in the unit only a few weeks before and I’d only seen women providers. Again, I accept this was my mistake.

Unfortunately, when I entered the exam room, the midwife was male. I immediately panicked and explained that I didn’t know there would be a man present. He seemed visibly offended and dismissive, telling me to leave the room in an upset tone. Despite being visibly distressed and bleeding from a miscarriage, I ended up trying to comfort him by explaining my history. The situation escalated with him shouting at me, and none of the nurses intervened. They blocked the door and wouldn’t allow me to leave.

I was able to get out and to the reception, where I requested to speak to someone in charge so they could help. The male midwife followed me and continued shouting, saying I had verbally attacked him. He even told me to "get over myself" and shared that he also had a history of panic disorder. I felt utterly humiliated and helpless. Eventually, the lead midwife took me to a quiet room, but no one apologized or acknowledged his behavior.

What’s most upsetting is that during both a miscarriage and after sharing my trauma history, I was shown no compassion or sensitivity by this midwife, which is the complete opposite of the amazing care I’ve always received from the NHS, especially during feminine examinations.

I’m considering filing a formal complaint, but I’m worried it won’t be taken seriously. I was later told that others on the unit are afraid of this man and won’t speak up. I went to PALS, and they advised I file a formal complaint with the hospital, but I'm unsure if it will actually lead to any action.

I’m not entirely sure what outcome I want to see, except that I believe the midwife should have shown more compassion in such a sensitive situation. Has anyone been in a similar situation? Will my complaint be taken seriously, and where is the best place to escalate it?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

OP posts:
HollyKnight · 16/10/2024 17:33

I don't think the other nurses were trying to block you. I think they were trying to help you because they thought your behaviour was you being in pain and distressed by the miscarriage. Hence them trying to guide you to the examination table.

Uselessatbeingaperson · 16/10/2024 17:34

TrippySkip · 16/10/2024 17:32

What do you mean by this? It’s pretty obvious what she meant. 🙄🙄🙄She thought she was seeing a woman. And then she clocked that the midwife she was going to see was actually a man.

No need for the eye roll, I was asking for clarification.

RedDeer · 16/10/2024 17:34

That's awful, so sorry you experienced that. When I had male midwife with my first, the first thing I was asked was I ok having him as my midwife, otherwise they would assign me a female.

Grandmasswagbag · 16/10/2024 17:38

RedDeer · 16/10/2024 17:34

That's awful, so sorry you experienced that. When I had male midwife with my first, the first thing I was asked was I ok having him as my midwife, otherwise they would assign me a female.

This is good practice. It's what should happen every time. If men want to work in gyne/midwifery then they should be prepared for it. Unfortunately there are male HCPs who work in these fields who really don't like or respect women. Complain. I didn't and have always regretted it.

RedToothBrush · 16/10/2024 17:40

piccolorhinoceros · 16/10/2024 16:32

There are a lot of things not adding up. Why were there three nurses in a room with a midwife? If the unit was closing why was the waiting room full? Was OP possibly verbally abusive and unaware of it due to her panic?

Sorry apart from being incredibly insensitive this post misses a massive point.

If the OP was behaving in anyway erratic, the the staff should be deescalating the situation.

The mere presence of this man was escalating the situation after the OP said he didn't want him there. The quickest and easiest way to defuse the situation was to

a) confront the patient
b) remove yourself from the situation

So even if this scenario happened (I would bet a large amount of money that it didn't), the bloke STILL didn't behave in a way that was professional or helping the situation in anyway. Precisely because he made it about him, and not the patient's need.

TrippySkip · 16/10/2024 17:45

Uselessatbeingaperson · 16/10/2024 17:34

No need for the eye roll, I was asking for clarification.

Course you weren’t. You were trying to trip up the OP and nitpick at her wording. What’s wrong with people here.

AlexandraLeaving · 16/10/2024 17:45

OP, you’ve been very clear in your posts here. There are some things that you know 100% happened, and are clearly totally unacceptable and 100% deserve to be complained about (the actions of the midwife).

There are other things that you believe happened but you are open minded to the possibility that the way you experienced them MIGHT not be how the individuals intended them (the nurses blocking/standing by door). These are, in my view, also worth raising in your complaint, if nothing else to help with professional education about how what may have been well-meaning actions can appear threatening to an already traumatised patient.

It may be worth differentiating between those two categories of issue when you complain, to help avoid the recipients of the complaint going down a rabbit hole to explain the MOTIVATION of the nurses, whereas the main issue is the behaviour of the midwife and this was compounded by the IMPACT of the nurses’ behaviour, intended or not.

It’s my local hospital too. I’m so so sorry you had that experience.

RedToothBrush · 16/10/2024 17:45

TrippySkip · 16/10/2024 17:19

aggression or discrimination and it’s very likely that your initial reaction to him came across as one or both

How?? The OP was distressed. She was having a miscarriage and tried to ressure and comfort him. Show me the aggression. He was the one that became aggressive.

And the discrimination line is ridiculous. Any woman asking that a woman sees her for an intimate examination is not being sexist. Not even a bit. And if the male midwife doesn’t understand that, he needs to leave asap.

The discrimination line is bullshit because women do have sex based rights which include considerations given to dignity and privacy relating to sex.

EmmaEmEmz · 16/10/2024 17:46

I'm so sorry you went through this and sending love.

I'm not entirely sure I agree with male midwives. I know not all female midwives are good but as someone who has fortunately never experienced sexual assault or trauma, I still wouldn't feel comfortable with a male at my most vulnerable moments. I was stitched up in theatre by a male doctor as i ha ad a third degree tear, but the room was full of women nurses and midwives, my baby was with me and I was high as a kite on gas and air and happiness so I didn't mind that - but in labour, early pregnancy...no. I would have also requested a female midwife.

earlylunch · 16/10/2024 17:49

This is St George’s hospital you say OP?

Your experience sounds very upsetting but i have to say… my recent experience with maternity care at St George’s was outstanding.

earlylunch · 16/10/2024 17:49

i think in future your husband should
accompany you given your
panic attacks and history, and that should be a priority

Hoppinggreen · 16/10/2024 17:49

TrippySkip · 16/10/2024 17:30

And a hcp needs to get a grip and distinguish a frightened traumatised patient from an abusive and aggressive one.

Exactly and a patient should not have to concern themselves with whether they are going to "Trigger" a health professional.
OP, I am sorry you are having to read so many unhelpful threads suggesting your experience was not as you described and/or telling you what you should have done differently, its unfair, unhelpful and unsupportive

piccolorhinoceros · 16/10/2024 17:50

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This is what I'm starting to wonder now. Perhaps OP did absolutely nothing wrong but the midwife was offended by being called male..?

earlylunch · 16/10/2024 17:50

AlexandraLeaving · 16/10/2024 17:45

OP, you’ve been very clear in your posts here. There are some things that you know 100% happened, and are clearly totally unacceptable and 100% deserve to be complained about (the actions of the midwife).

There are other things that you believe happened but you are open minded to the possibility that the way you experienced them MIGHT not be how the individuals intended them (the nurses blocking/standing by door). These are, in my view, also worth raising in your complaint, if nothing else to help with professional education about how what may have been well-meaning actions can appear threatening to an already traumatised patient.

It may be worth differentiating between those two categories of issue when you complain, to help avoid the recipients of the complaint going down a rabbit hole to explain the MOTIVATION of the nurses, whereas the main issue is the behaviour of the midwife and this was compounded by the IMPACT of the nurses’ behaviour, intended or not.

It’s my local hospital too. I’m so so sorry you had that experience.

this

two columns Op

  1. what you’re 100% sure on
  2. What you believe happened ie all the nurses blocking your exit and how you managed to escape
Uselessatbeingaperson · 16/10/2024 17:51

piccolorhinoceros · 16/10/2024 17:50

This is what I'm starting to wonder now. Perhaps OP did absolutely nothing wrong but the midwife was offended by being called male..?

This is what I'm thinking and why the midwife was so hysterical.

Sailonsilverrgirl · 16/10/2024 17:51

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YellowAsteroid · 16/10/2024 17:53

The male midwife followed me and continued shouting, saying I had verbally attacked him. He even told me to "get over myself" and shared that he also had a history of panic disorder. I felt utterly humiliated and helpless. Eventually, the lead midwife took me to a quiet room, but no one apologized or acknowledged his behavior.

Bloody hell @ThisBrickWriter this is appalling. I hope you're feeling a tad better.

YANBU at all. He was an arse of toxic masculinity - his feelings are not the priority here although anyone would recognise that he may well be justified in feeling - privately - that he wasn't a predator. But in a situation such as this, he should be professional enough to put his feelings aside, and seek appropriate support from colleagues after treating you - or rather gracefully withdrawing so you are treated by a woman.

He should not be practicing if that is his response to a woman in a vulnerable and life-threatening situation. I'm so sorry.

I hope you get some response from the hospital via PALS.

SquirrelSoShiny · 16/10/2024 17:55

OP it might be advisable to get MN to remove the hospital details from your post Flowers

piccolorhinoceros · 16/10/2024 17:59

TrippySkip · 16/10/2024 17:08

Are you unable to see the bigger picture here and what the main issue is? Rather than nitpicking at details.

And regarding verbal ‘abuse’, I see no evidence that the Op was abusive. And quite frankly, if someone in distress uses some swear words to express themselves (not saying the Op did that at all), as long as she wasn’t telling the staff to F off, then it’s understandable. I am not sure why people are insinuating that the OP was abusive anyway??

Are you? The details are useful in putting together the bigger picture. Of course there's no evidence that OP was verbally abusive, but there is an accusation, and we've obviously only got OP's side of the story. Nobody is insinuating she was abusive, but the fact is the midwife accused her of this, so I guess it has to be considered.

Anyway, given recent updates, it sounds like there's definitely more to this and OP should absolutely take it further.

BlueMum16 · 16/10/2024 18:20

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 17:24

i walked in, saw him, and I started trying to turn around for the exit, said “I am sorry, I didn’t know there would be a man here” while started to hyperventilate. The nurses blocked me here. I think I even leaned over to bend down with my hands on my knees. When I looked up and he looked offended and upset and told me to get out of his room and go wait some more, I immediately started trying to explain bc I was worried I had offended him and I started crying. I didn’t shout. I could barely speak. I felt trapped. Not angry or shouty, but more scared and defenseless.

I'm so sorry you had this happen.
Please report it so it can be investigated fully. Your DP wants you to. PALS have advised you to.

Find the strength to do this so people can learn

Greydayswithoutfags · 16/10/2024 18:32

RedDeer · 16/10/2024 17:34

That's awful, so sorry you experienced that. When I had male midwife with my first, the first thing I was asked was I ok having him as my midwife, otherwise they would assign me a female.

Same here- the female midwife was going off shift and asked me if I was ok with a male taking over. She went out of her way to reassure me he was lovely (which he was).

Darkdiamond · 16/10/2024 18:40

earlylunch · 16/10/2024 17:49

This is St George’s hospital you say OP?

Your experience sounds very upsetting but i have to say… my recent experience with maternity care at St George’s was outstanding.

I'm not being goady or anything, but what is the point in saying this? There are good and bad in every establishment and, to me, it feels inappropriate to mention your positive experience in OP's very distressing AIBU. I'm just wondering why say this.

earlylunch · 16/10/2024 18:48

Darkdiamond · 16/10/2024 18:40

I'm not being goady or anything, but what is the point in saying this? There are good and bad in every establishment and, to me, it feels inappropriate to mention your positive experience in OP's very distressing AIBU. I'm just wondering why say this.

Balance

The op had named the hospital

Gemmawemma9 · 16/10/2024 18:48

OP this sounds horrendous. I’m so sorry you’ve experienced this 💐 I’m also sorry people are being unkind to you here. He doesn’t sound fit to be working with the public, never mind vulnerable women going through a traumatic experience. Self centred arse.

Greydayswithoutfags · 16/10/2024 18:50

ahemfem · 16/10/2024 16:23

I immediately panicked and explained that I didn’t know there would be a man present. what did this look like? Was it loud? Screaming? Or calm? I think if you'd explained you're sorry you have a note on your file about not seeing a male due to a difficult history the situation may have gone differently. With no context I can see why he may have been triggered into just thinking you're being sexist.

However if he'd managed to control his emotions and listen he would have understood I'd have hoped.

Sorry you had to deal with this.

I think if you'd explained you're sorry you have a note on your file about not seeing a male due to a difficult history the situation may have gone differently.

Why the fuck should she apologise? She has the absolute right of veto over who sees her vagina.