Is this going to open a floodgate - weight loss jabs for unemployed

I hope your dissertation wasn’t marked on your knowledge of nutrition. “Lean” mince is not healthier than mince with fat. Dried beans, pulses, pasta, fruit and vegetables in season are not prohibitively expensive. Especially not when compared to junk convenience food.

@soupfiend I'm at work so have just seen your reply to me further up the thread. Please show me where I made it all about me? While you're at it please also show us all how you are able to be so sure about the genuineness of my (or anyone else's) concern.
I note that you mention elsewhere that you yourself have no off switch, so perhaps it has touched a nerve and your rather disproportionate response does suggest that. I too have no off switch and am now experiencing pretty serious health issues because of that. Having reached a BMI of 44 I am someone who has been offered the gym membership and slimming world membership by my GP. So I am certainly not "fat bashing" and/or "weight loss bashing" anybody. I am very much aware of the mental health impact of obesity but please, tell me more about how "fat bashing" I am.
I'll also remind you I never used the term fat in any of my earlier posts and am only doing so here to quote your own terminology.

I think there’s lots of jobs out there that people aren’t so keen on. I’ve worked as a toilet attendant, emptied street bins, cleaned hotel rooms, cleaned a care home. These are not popular jobs and physically quite tough sometimes. Really easy to get though. Honestly the agency that’s the incumbent labour supplier for the council would take on anyone provided they hadn’t been drinking/ taking drugs before the interview. You’d be surprised how hard it is to recruit despite the low bar.

Nothing will happen. People are on sickness benefits provided they can satisfy decision makers their health prevents them working/performing certain daily living activities. There is no obligation on the claimant to improve their health as part of the assessnent criteria. To change that would be huge and open significant floodgates whereby people could be expected to eat prescribed diets, make certain approved lifestyle chances, do set amounts of excercise etc. Its far too intrusive and resource intensive to be viable.

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But only for the unemployed

They could make their own kebabs from scratch it's healthier than the kebab shop and less fatty. I love educating myself about food. I have a neighbour who is big and so is her partner and baby. I hate saying this because it is stereotyping they do walk around with a lot of takeaway's. It's falling out of their car it's too much cook something ffs. They have put me off buying takeaway's I used to buy it every week not anymore.

I remember watching super skinny Vs super large the female doctor organised tests for herself and a family who were large. The tests came back that the skinny doctor had the fat gene and the large family didn't. What does that tell you about what people are doing to themselves.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/diet/weight-loss/struggle-with-weight-fat-gene/

For me personally - so long as people dont lie and say it was the hard work that paid off (celebrities I am looking at you) then its fine. There were so many liars who claimed it was dieting and later revealed it was surgery

You'd use a cast to fix a broken bone, this is helping to fix a problem.

It will be interesting to see moving forward how many lie about ozempic etc - I have thoughts about some recently mega losses

It won’t even out. If it does you are probably not looking at fresh ingredients it’ll be ultra processed beige foods that probably aren’t any healthier.

BBC did a program on this years ago. They had trouble trying to get professional chefs putting together meal for less than the price of the lowest cost ready meals. It’s a bit much to expect people with fewer cooking skills to be able to do it. And that’s before you take fuel costs into account.

If you are on a low income in this country it is virtually never cheaper to use fresh ingredients compared to the cost of value products.,

I think it's really difficult. I have an autoimmune disease (not terribly impactful but I need daily medication) and severe osteoporosis. I didn't quite meet the bar for the optimal daily injections for the osteoporosis. I had to pay £2400 for a two year course.

The Osteoporosis may link to the NHS's failure to diagnose Graves disease for three years.

There is nothing I could have done in relation to lifestyle changes for the above. Yet the NHS refused to fund optimal care.

Also, I lost 2.5 stone last year (I was overweight rather than obese). I have up alcohol, sugar, wheat, red meat, and saturated fats. I significantly increased: fruit, veg, pulses. My food bill went down by about 20%.

On the above basis and I appreciate it relates to one individual's experience, no, I don't think the NHS should fund weight loss injections, particularly when they refused to fund optimal drugs for medical conditions that people have no influence over. Weight is an issue that can be modified naturally by individuals.

Perhaps I'm missing the point, but it's hard to see this saving much money. These drugs are expensive, will have to be given for life and surely will have to be monitored as they are not without risk. All the doctors appointments will simply be taken up with making sure they don't die of the injections rather than the obesity. (And we don't even know the long term risks yet.)

Sadly they will probably have a limited effect in getting people back to work, they don't as far as I know cure laziness. What we badly need is an injection for stupidity.

And could possibly now be eligible as long as they smile & nod and tick the right boxes

Except the story that it is going to be given to the unemployed willy nilly is not true. It is right wing click bait that you have fallen for. The actual facts are

Health Innovation Manchester has today (14 October 2024) announced a groundbreaking strategic partnership with Eli Lilly and Company (Lilly) to initiate a five-year real-world evidence study (SURMOUNT-REAL UK), subject to relevant approvals.

The announcement has been made as part of a collaboration agreed between Lilly and UK Government today, unveiled at the Government’s International Investment Summit.

The study will evaluate the real-world effectiveness of tirzepatide in weight loss, diabetes prevention, and prevention of obesity-related complications for adults with obesity. The evidence generated will seek to increase the global evidence base on the long-term impacts of weight loss medicines and potentially inform the UK’s care pathway approach to the treatment of obesity.

Significantly, the five-year study will also aim to collect data on healthcare resource utilisation, health-related quality of life and changes in participants’ employment status and sick days from work.

https://healthinnovationmanchester.com/news/greater-manchester-plans-to-partner-with-industry-on-a-new-study-to-deepen-understanding-of-a-weight-loss-medication/

As someone who worked in the fitness industry for years, a small waist and tight ass isn’t a repellent for self loathing, unfortunately.

Especially when it comes to young women that are very fit and spend a lot of time worry about their appearance and other people’s.

It’s not very helpful to portray a tight ass and small waist is the key to loving yourself.

I’ve posted earlier on the thread but I can stick my nose in where I like here.

it is well known that diets don’t work and there are other factors at play, like UPFs, but I expect you know that already seeing as you are so well informed.

Let’s not waste time introducing facts into the discussion now.

Well firstly they’d have to have permission in administer this needle. They can’t physically hold down every fat person and jab them with out their consent. If a person says no to it, it’s no! Therefore how they’d get around that one I don’t know.
In addition to this many people don’t eat because they’re simply hungry it’s often far more deep rooted than that. Many people have food addictions which some may giggle at. However it’s no joke. I’ve always wondered why people (and rightly so) have sympathy for alcoholics and substance addiction but with food addiction they’re just lazy fat greedy twats!

Good idea and I support it. If it stops people being morbidly obese (bad for them, expensive for the NHS and terrible for the economy) then it’s a winner. The Government will be able to get a generic price for this drug it will be cheaper.

A sense of perspective here...

Streeting has said unemployed wont be prioritised for any drug therapy, its a very small trial, around 5000 people.

Of course fat people can work, many do, just look around your local hospital and look at how many healthcare staff are huge.

We might have a different government by the time the results are known if MN is to be believed. So it doesn’t follow that the use of these drugs will be increased if the trials show it is safe and more cost effective than what we are already doing.

Yes and I forgot to mention per calorie too. That also needs to be costed up

There are a lot of variables.

There is nothing to "roll out" as the study is not about giving weight loss jabs to unemployed people as suggested in your thread title. But it will collect data relating to employment status and sick days. Read what I posted again:

The study will evaluate the real-world effectiveness of tirzepatide in weight loss, diabetes prevention, and prevention of obesity-related complications for adults with obesity. The evidence generated will seek to increase the global evidence base on the long-term impacts of weight loss medicines and potentially inform the UK’s care pathway approach to the treatment of obesity.

Significantly, the five-year study will also aim to collect dataon healthcare resource utilisation, health-related quality of life and changes in participants’ employment status and sick days from work.

I do think it's inappropriate the way 'self-loathing' is being thrown around as a term to shut posters down on these threads. Not everyone has issues relating to body weight, but they may well have other issues in their life, such as anxiety and depression. Telling a depressed person they are 'self-loathing' is really unhelpful.

If the non-workers are given this free, will the be obliged to get off their derrieres to go to work or will they be content to let the rest of us keep them forever?