Is this going to open a floodgate - weight loss jabs for unemployed

Pathetic. You have clearly never been obese. I can't imagine there are many obese people who can't work because of just obesity. They have other health issues too.

I agree and this is what it means to tackle the societal issue, the root cause. I don't see all the naysayers here going out there and talking about this, protesting for it. They don't care until injections are mentioned then they'd rather bother people who're doing what they can to help themselves.

And this is a massive problem in our country. Policies are planned around short-termism and election cycles rather than taking the time to do proper research and implement well thought through policies.

Obesity is known as a risk factor for many illnesses. However you can’t say categorically that someone has had a heart attack because they are obese. What about all the people who are obese and don’t have heart attacks?

Floodgate to better health - physical and mental health, less diabetes, less high blood pressure, less heart attacks and strokes?

And getting people into employment?

Sounds bloody brilliant!

That’s still technically an underlying reason isn’t it - lack of education. Just giving someone a weight loss injection doesn’t actually address why they are overweight, and without addressing the why then long term the injection isn’t going to work if people will just go back to doing what they did before.

I am not sure Richmond sausages are any better in terms of health than a Ready Meal, in fact they may be worse than many ready meals given the poor ingredients.

Pork (42%), Water, Rusk (WHEAT), Pork Fat, Starch (WHEAT), SOYA Protein, Salt, Stabilisers: Diphosphates, Guar Gum; Flavourings, Preservative: Sodium MetabiSULPHITE*; Antioxidants: Ascorbic Acid, Alpha Tocopherol; Colour: Carmine. Casing: Beef Collagen.

That’s a very simplistic and outdated view. I suggest you do some research.

I would say that this is pretty much common knowledge. I see regularly a bunch of young overweight women and I'm sure there are many reasons for them being so - no idea of how to cook from scratch, inability to afford certain foodstuffs, having baby after baby without shifting the previous weight, not much activity other than walking the kids to school/nursery, boredom to name only a few. Will an injection solve this? It still requires a degree of self control and what happens once they come off it? Sadly there are whole sections of the population who seem to think some eyebrows, tattoos and false lashes are more important than eating healthily. There are areas with generational unemployment and bad health. It's a very complex situation.

No its not an underlying reason! But you seem to be determined to see it all as a big old fat failure so thats fine

And unfortunately theres tons and tons of 'experts' out there who dont agree with CICO, so who is going to give the education?

Even dinner plates need to be smaller, they're much bigger than they were in the 50s for example.

Wouldn't it be fantastic if it opened up a floodgate to actually treating people's medical and psychological conditions so that they are able to work? I feel that I'm potentially missing your point but can't figure out how that would be anything other than a good thing.

Actually helping people, making them more physically and mentally healthy seems like a good thing to me.

I’m not sure there’s any decent science to say that that list of ingredients is unhealthy.

But in any case the point was about cost, not metabolic chemistry.

@loveydoveyloon

They do not stop the treatment until you are in a healthy BMI

That is a good thing. 👆

Why should this treatment only be available to those who can afford to pay for?

We're out of Europe if there's no money then something has to give. The benefits before we joined Europe was abysmal you couldn't live on it. There is a 22 billion black hole where is it coming from. We are broke.

The peas and potatoes though? The cost of those need to be factored in. You can get a ready meal from Aldi or Lidl for less than £2. Sure, the sausage, mash and peas is probably better value because you can make more than one meal from them, but some people don’t actually see that. they just see they can get X number of ready meals for the same price or less and it requires less effort to make.

They don't want to work they will try and find another issue. People with all sorts of disabilities and health conditions go to work because being at home is depressing and boring.

I'm willing to bet the few muppets on thread spouting ignorance and prejudice have never been affected by obesity.

I’m not determined to see it as a big fat failure but surely you can see that just giving someone an injection without addressing why they need it in the first place is setting them up for potential failure in the long term? Sure it’s a short term fix but it’s not addressing how they got in that state in the first place.

I've lost over 40kg on Ozempic over about 18 months. Weight loss has slowed down now though. I was never overweight until my thyroid stopped working. Levothyroxine does not work well for me but it's all there is. My GP took almost 18 over months to get me on the correct dose. They prescribe 25mg at a time then you have to wait 4 months before they redo blood test and decide you need 50mg repeat, repeat, repeat until you are up to 225mg a day. In those 18 months I put on almost 5 stone yet was only eating normally. Not everyone who is obese eats donuts all day. Ozempic has been wonderful for me.

I’d put cheap sausages in a ready meal category. Serve with an easy carb and a veg or two. Feed four for a fiver. It’s not terribly good for you though. My dog isn’t a fan Richmond sausages which probably tells you that the meat is questionable at best. Not really a fan myself the casing has a really odd texture. I don’t buy them even when they are 50p with a yellow sticker and I buy a lot of yellow sticker stuff!

They need it to support them to eat less. It really isnt complicated

I need the patches to stop smoking
I need the methodone to stop using heroin
I need the antabuse to stop drinking

Its the stopping of the substance that is the treatment in and of itself. That is the aim.

This is going to be an interesting social experiment if it happens. Has the potential to go very wrong or very right.

What are the most common side effects of Ozempic?

The most common side effects of Ozempic are listed below. Tell your healthcare provider if you have any of these side effects that bother you.

• Nausea
• Vomiting
• Diarrhea
• Stomach pain
• Constipation

What are the serious side effects of Ozempic?
While less common, the most serious side effects of Ozempic are described below, along with what to do if they happen.
Severe Allergic Reactions. Ozempic may cause allergic reactions, which can be serious. Stop using Ozempic and get help right away if you have any of the following symptoms of a serious allergic reaction.

• Breathing problems or wheezing
• Racing heart
• Fever or general ill feeling
• Swollen lymph nodes
• Swelling of the face, lips, mouth, tongue, or throat
• Trouble swallowing or throat tightness
• Itching, skin rash, or pale red bumps on the skin called hives
• Nausea or vomiting
• Dizziness, feeling lightheaded, or fainting
• Stomach cramps
• Joint pain

• Headache
• Crankiness or anxiety
• Hunger
• Dizziness, or confusion, or drowsiness
• Blurry vision
• Slurred speech
• Sweating
• Feeling jittery or shakiness
• Fast heartbeat
• Weakness

Vision Changes. Ozempic may cause your vision to worsen when you start using the medicine or start a higher dose. Tell your healthcare provider if you develop new vision problems. If you have a condition called diabetic retinopathy, your vision may temporarily worsen when you start Ozempic or a higher dose. Make sure that you keep all appointments to have your vision checked.

Kidney Damage. Kidney damage can happen when using Ozempic, especially if you have nausea, vomiting, or diarrhea, which can cause dehydration. Try to drink water to avoid dehydration. Call your healthcare provider right away if you have any of the following symptoms of kidney damage.

• Reduced need to pee
• Swelling in your feet, ankles, or legs
• Weakness or unusual tiredness
• Difficulty catching your breath or chest pain/pressure
• Confusion
• Nausea
• Seizures

• Fever
• Your skin or the whites of your eyes turning yellowish in color (also called jaundice)
• Pain in your upper stomach area
• Stool (poop) that is clay-colored

What are the most common side effects of Mounjaro?

The most common side effects of Mounjaro are listed below. Tell your healthcare provider if you have any of these side effects that bother you.

• Nausea
• Diarrhea
• Decreased appetite
• Vomiting
• Constipation
• Upset stomach or stomach pain

What are the serious side effects of Mounjaro?
While less common, the most serious side effects of Mounjaro are described below, along with what to do if they happen.

Severe Allergic Reactions. Mounjaro may cause allergic reactions, which can be serious. Stop using Mounjaro and get help right away if you have any of the following symptoms of a serious allergic reaction.

• Breathing problems or wheezing
• Racing heart
• Fever or general ill feeling
• Swollen lymph nodes
• Swelling of the face, lips, mouth, tongue, or throat
• Trouble swallowing or throat tightness
• Itching, skin rash, or pale red bumps on the skin called hives
• Nausea or vomiting
• Dizziness, feeling lightheaded, or fainting
• Stomach cramps
• Joint pain

• Swelling or a lump in your neck
• Hoarseness
• Trouble swallowing
• Trouble breathing

Low Blood Sugar (Hypoglycemia). When used with insulin or other diabetes medicines that increase your body’s insulin levels, Mounjaro can cause low blood sugar. The doses of your other diabetes medicines may need to be changed when taken with Mounjaro. Call your healthcare provider right away if you have any of the following symptoms of low blood sugar.

• Headache
• Crankiness or anxiety
• Hunger
• Dizziness or confusion
• Blurry vision
• Slurred speech
• Sweating
• Feeling jittery or shakiness
• Fast heartbeat
• Seizures

• Reduced need to pee
• Swelling in your feet, ankles, or legs
• Weakness or unusual tiredness
• Difficulty catching your breath or chest pain/pressure
• Confusion
• Nausea
• Seizures

Vision Changes (Diabetic Retinopathy). If you have diabetic retinopathy, your vision changes may get worse with Mounjaro. Call your healthcare provider if you notice any of the following vision changes (new or getting worse).

• Loss of central vision, which is used to read or dive
• Not being able to see colors
• Blurry vision
• Holes or black spots in your vision
• Floaters, or small spots in your vision caused by bleeding

• Stomach pain
• Fever
• Pale-colored stool
• Yellowing of your skin or eyes

Are you honestly telling me there is no other way for people to lose weight than state sponsored weight loss jabs??

”I suggest you do some research” is such a mundane mumsnet term for people that can’t really be bothered making an intelligent point but can’t help but stick there nose in on a thread.