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MIL and her priorities!

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ChristOnABike87 · 03/09/2024 03:37

Gosh this is going to be hard to write and hard to keep brief!
DH is not speaking to MIL.
His Dad had dementia, it was rapid. After 18 months of him being home with MIL he was in a care home.
The following August we found out MIL was having an affair with a married man, the wife found texts. We pretty much all put it down to a mini breakdown and tried to move on with our lives, we had a baby girl the April before and MIL was in no way as involved as we thought she would be, made sense as she was preoccupied.
She is/was the best Nanny to her 2 older GKs that DH has from previous marriage.
All was ok as it could be, MIL making effort with youngest, for 6 weeks.
She then starts seeing someone else, DH hits the roof. MIL ‘puts family first’ and the relationship becomes a friendship, except of course it’s now a relationship behind closed doors.
FIL dies in March, MIL goes public with the relationship (she wasn’t having) in April. (By public I mean a handful of people know as DH isn’t telling anyone).
MIL cancels plans to spend time with DH and baby in May in favour of a weekend away with BF whilst I’m away and DH hasn’t spoken to her since.
She also hasn’t seen the baby despite me saying she should and her promising she’d make the effort. She also hasn’t tried to contact DH.
DH adored his mum, he’s so hurt and obviously still grieving FIL.

Looking for some advice really on how to navigate this sh’t storm we are in. Myself and everyone I know think/thought she was the most amazing, selfless woman, but her priorities are clearly the BF… who for further context is also married but his wife also has early onset dementia and is in a care home.

OP posts:
Flibflobflibflob · 03/09/2024 06:13

If you want her to come around stop judging her. She’s a grown woman and she can conduct her life however she pleases. I do understand that we often see our parents as parents and not people and I do think your DH could do with some counselling. Imagine from her perspective what it would be like coming to yours to look at the baby whilst knowing that her son is furious with her and thinks she’s betraying his dad and him. Would you want to go?

I’m not saying any of these men are good choices but the one surefire way to make sure she ends up with a turd is to alienate her. Best thing to do is for your DH to get therapy and call his mum and say “I’m sorry, I’m not judging you, I’m grieving for dad and I’m all over the place”. I have no idea what your MIL is like as a person, she may be lovely or awful but you don’t get to keep a person in your life whilst shaming them, it doesn’t work.

ThePrologue · 03/09/2024 06:14

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What a disgusting thing to say

Arewethebadguys · 03/09/2024 06:15

I think I'd be absolutely gutted if my mum didn't see my child. Especially if she's been hands on with other grandkids. She can live her life, but she'll never get this time back with your baby. This whole situation is very sad.

ChristOnABike87 · 03/09/2024 06:17

Ivymom · 03/09/2024 06:11

I’m a former hospice nurse and this is more common than people realize. Mil spent almost her entire marriage with the love of her life. She met his needs and in return he met hers. Then for a prolonged period at the end of his life, not only could he no longer meet MIL’s needs, his needs increased ten fold. MIL continued to meet his needs. Then, FIL goes into care and MIL is left home alone. She doesn’t want to end her marriage, but she still has unmet needs and she has a void that was filled by caring for FIL. She met someone who filled the void and met her needs.

Normally, I strongly believe that you should end your current relationship before getting into another one and you should leave other people’s partners alone. To me, this is a grey area because the dementia has already taken FIL away. It just seems like MIL is trying to get her needs met and hasn’t been discerning. Her current BF seems like someone in a similar situation.

As far as being a different kind of grandmother to your child than she previously was, she is a different person now. She lost the love of her life and probably a large part of herself. When the other grandchildren were small, she had a partner to share the experience with. She may be that grandmother again in the future. Right now, she needs to recover from the trauma and prioritize herself for a while.

Individual therapy for both her and your DH and family therapy for them together would be ideal. But, before he does therapy with her, he needs to work out his own issues and stop judging her. He needs to accept her as human and capable of making mistakes. He needs to realize she hasn’t wronged him. You guys don’t have to like or agree with her choices. Just try to keep a supportive relationship with her.

Thank you, this and a few of the others are the kind of informed responses I was hoping for. I wrote the OP in a rush almost bullet pointed so as not to write an essay which made it sound harsh and without feeling. I appreciate this.

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CanelliniBeans · 03/09/2024 06:19

It's difficult all round as your DH is still grieving DF and life has changed in terms of his DM as well.
However if he wants a relationship with his surviving parent he will need to reframe her behaviour. A small baby won't remember whether MIL was around, maybe in 5 years she will be more settled and have more time for her GC. She's probably grieving herself and has felt lonely for a while and wants to enjoy life as 60 is young to find herself alone.
I'd say give it time, don't write her off as a grandmother yet and encourage DH to maintain some sort of relationship for the time being. I'm sure things will be different in the future.

ChristOnABike87 · 03/09/2024 06:20

Arewethebadguys · 03/09/2024 06:15

I think I'd be absolutely gutted if my mum didn't see my child. Especially if she's been hands on with other grandkids. She can live her life, but she'll never get this time back with your baby. This whole situation is very sad.

I agree, I feel very sad and so does he.

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ChristOnABike87 · 03/09/2024 06:21

CanelliniBeans · 03/09/2024 06:19

It's difficult all round as your DH is still grieving DF and life has changed in terms of his DM as well.
However if he wants a relationship with his surviving parent he will need to reframe her behaviour. A small baby won't remember whether MIL was around, maybe in 5 years she will be more settled and have more time for her GC. She's probably grieving herself and has felt lonely for a while and wants to enjoy life as 60 is young to find herself alone.
I'd say give it time, don't write her off as a grandmother yet and encourage DH to maintain some sort of relationship for the time being. I'm sure things will be different in the future.

It appears the nicer response come post 6am, thank you 😂

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InWalksBarberalla · 03/09/2024 06:23

ChristOnABike87 · 03/09/2024 06:17

Thank you, this and a few of the others are the kind of informed responses I was hoping for. I wrote the OP in a rush almost bullet pointed so as not to write an essay which made it sound harsh and without feeling. I appreciate this.

Maybe you wrote it in a rush but it is clear that your husband at least is judging his mum based on his idea of her perceived role in the family and how she was with his other kids- all was good when she was putting family first and spending time with your youngest but he hit the roof with her when she was in a relationship and stopped talking to her when she didn't come over to spend time with him when you were away. He doesn't sound great.

Poppins21 · 03/09/2024 06:25

MartinsSpareCalculator · 03/09/2024 03:50

Honestly, after living through the absolute hell that is dementia and caring for her husband I think she's earned the right to prioritise her own needs and wants for a bit.

The affair isn't ideal, but the situation isn't ideal.

Yes I agree with this. The ladies whole world has been turned upstairs down and stress and grief change people.

And quite frankly it none of your business what this lady does.

Poppins21 · 03/09/2024 06:26

InWalksBarberalla · 03/09/2024 06:23

Maybe you wrote it in a rush but it is clear that your husband at least is judging his mum based on his idea of her perceived role in the family and how she was with his other kids- all was good when she was putting family first and spending time with your youngest but he hit the roof with her when she was in a relationship and stopped talking to her when she didn't come over to spend time with him when you were away. He doesn't sound great.

I agree who is he to decide how his mum should live her life. Who put him in charge?

ThePrologue · 03/09/2024 06:26

ChristOnABike87 · 03/09/2024 06:20

I agree, I feel very sad and so does he.

But a baby will not remember. Most of us have very few memories before the age of 5. Your baby won't miss your MIL in these years, but your MIL will miss out on the baby.
However, she is grieving despite her seemingly 'partying' bahaviour, and may well hit a wall in a few months and realise this relationship is more of a 're-bound' thing. Or maybe not. She may be happy until the day she dies.
But if it's the former, it would be the decent, kind thing for you and your DH to be there for her. If the latter, then if your DH forgives her for her 'transgression', you'll have a normal family dynamic

Poppins21 · 03/09/2024 06:31

Immemorialelms · 03/09/2024 04:45

Not up to her son to "forgive" anything!!

Yes the attitude of OP DH is shocking. The MIL is a person in her own right and can make her own choices.

ChristOnABike87 · 03/09/2024 06:32

InWalksBarberalla · 03/09/2024 06:23

Maybe you wrote it in a rush but it is clear that your husband at least is judging his mum based on his idea of her perceived role in the family and how she was with his other kids- all was good when she was putting family first and spending time with your youngest but he hit the roof with her when she was in a relationship and stopped talking to her when she didn't come over to spend time with him when you were away. He doesn't sound great.

Oh 100% he assumed she’d be she same GP to LO as she has to the others… but why wouldn’t he?
That the final nail… because if you notice she announced the relationship in April but we still had contact until middle of May. I can’t write every hurtful thing that’s happened, like the fact she still ‘hasn’t bothered to pick up the ashes’ her words not mine.

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marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 03/09/2024 06:35

Unfortunately the morals of the situation are irrelevant. Your mil is a grown woman and makes her own choices. Including bad choices.It's nobody business how she lives or who she sleeps with, except hers.

Your DH may not like it but there is nothing he can do about it. She may actually find his refusal to speak to her convenient right now, as she can live without judgement.

ThePrologue · 03/09/2024 06:36

ChristOnABike87 · 03/09/2024 06:32

Oh 100% he assumed she’d be she same GP to LO as she has to the others… but why wouldn’t he?
That the final nail… because if you notice she announced the relationship in April but we still had contact until middle of May. I can’t write every hurtful thing that’s happened, like the fact she still ‘hasn’t bothered to pick up the ashes’ her words not mine.

You must see what's behind the words she has spoken about your FILs ashes rather than taking them literally, surely?
I think both you and you DH need to read about the effects of dementia on spouses and loved ones. And how gtieving manifests. Because to me, this is almost classic behaviour

Cailin66 · 03/09/2024 06:37

ChristOnABike87 · 03/09/2024 05:09

Not the onset, the decline. My fault.
DH attended all medical appts with MIL and like I’ve previously said we helped regularly, i.e 3x a week, DH is self employed which helped

What did the regular help consist of? Why did he need to go with her for medical appointments since she’s able to drive?

ChristOnABike87 · 03/09/2024 06:38

ThePrologue · 03/09/2024 06:36

You must see what's behind the words she has spoken about your FILs ashes rather than taking them literally, surely?
I think both you and you DH need to read about the effects of dementia on spouses and loved ones. And how gtieving manifests. Because to me, this is almost classic behaviour

Perhaps you’re right

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ChristOnABike87 · 03/09/2024 06:41

Cailin66 · 03/09/2024 06:37

What did the regular help consist of? Why did he need to go with her for medical appointments since she’s able to drive?

He went to support his mum and because she wanted him there. They were very close which makes this all the more sad.
sitting with and taking FIL for drives etc as he loved the outdoors 2 times a week and helping at weekends so she could run errands.

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YellowAsteroid · 03/09/2024 06:42

People grieve in all sorts of ways @ChristOnABike87 Everything you say about your MiL’s behaviour suggests either she was hiding her “hurtful” self for her whole marriage OR there’s a lot going on for her which you don’t or can’t know about. Her grief may be very private. it may be changing her - temporarily or maybe permanently.

It may be that after a life time of service to her much olderDH and her son, and exposure to a nasty illness and the long long time dying of her DH she is in a bit of a “seize the day” mood.

When my mother was finally divorced from my father she woke up to a life of much greater freedom. Even though I was 34 at the time, it was hard to realise my mother was finally liberated to live the rest of her life as she wished.

Grief is also a long thing. Give your MiL time.

Your DH needs to get over himself though. Hitting the roof over his mother’s private life? Not acceptable.

ThePrologue · 03/09/2024 06:45

ChristOnABike87 · 03/09/2024 06:38

Perhaps you’re right

I'm not having a pop, @ChristOnABike87 , I understand how your DH is feeling, and how this affects you, as well as how MIL is making you feel as a mum of a child she should want to spend time with.
But grief, and the dementia process, is unfathomable and makes us behave in strange ways.
I really do think this is a re-bound thing; someone is caring for her for a change, his partner has dementia so he understands what she has gone through. He is obviously filling a void that her children/friends cannot. In a few months, she may feel differently.
Please be patient with her and bear in mind that she will come back to your DC and DH

curious79 · 03/09/2024 06:47

Personally, I do feel sympathy for your DH. It’s like a second form of bereavement to lose his father only to in some way to lose his DM too.

From what I’ve read you’re saying the issue is less about her having new relationships but more about having new relationships at the complete expense and total lack of interest in her existing family. Maybe that will change? I would be hurt if my remaining parent felt that having new relationships needed to be at the total expense of existing family. My elderly parent does have a relationship, and has had three since my other parent died, but at no point did they ever stop seeing family.

And I mean seeing. They were never a babysitter or anything like that.

IMO with your MIL while I applaud her letting her hair down It’s a bit odd to suddenly cut off those other relationships. Was your FIL controlling and dominant? the type of behaviour you’re seeing could be a reaction and a lot of relief to finally getting rid of him.

A friend’s elderly mother has jumped into a new relationship with a man and married the guy after four weeks, without telling anyone she was going to do that or asking anyone to attend the wedding. She has gone from seeing her family and grandchildren all the time to barely seeing them. This woman is almost certainly in a new very controlling relationship, but equally the relationship with the father who died was clearly one where she felt coerced and abused.

ChristOnABike87 · 03/09/2024 06:48

YellowAsteroid · 03/09/2024 06:42

People grieve in all sorts of ways @ChristOnABike87 Everything you say about your MiL’s behaviour suggests either she was hiding her “hurtful” self for her whole marriage OR there’s a lot going on for her which you don’t or can’t know about. Her grief may be very private. it may be changing her - temporarily or maybe permanently.

It may be that after a life time of service to her much olderDH and her son, and exposure to a nasty illness and the long long time dying of her DH she is in a bit of a “seize the day” mood.

When my mother was finally divorced from my father she woke up to a life of much greater freedom. Even though I was 34 at the time, it was hard to realise my mother was finally liberated to live the rest of her life as she wished.

Grief is also a long thing. Give your MiL time.

Your DH needs to get over himself though. Hitting the roof over his mother’s private life? Not acceptable.

Thank you! Hitting the roof was maybe the wrong terminology, he was hurt and upset because 6 weeks before she was here most days saying what a mistake the affair was and how she wanted to be with those that loved her most.
Hes been vocal to me but not to her, relative silence both ends and he bottles his feelings up like most males of our generation

OP posts:
sammylady37 · 03/09/2024 06:51

Poppins21 · 03/09/2024 06:31

Yes the attitude of OP DH is shocking. The MIL is a person in her own right and can make her own choices.

Indeed. The phrase he ‘hit the roof’ is very telling in this scenario.

ChristOnABike87 · 03/09/2024 06:51

ThePrologue · 03/09/2024 06:45

I'm not having a pop, @ChristOnABike87 , I understand how your DH is feeling, and how this affects you, as well as how MIL is making you feel as a mum of a child she should want to spend time with.
But grief, and the dementia process, is unfathomable and makes us behave in strange ways.
I really do think this is a re-bound thing; someone is caring for her for a change, his partner has dementia so he understands what she has gone through. He is obviously filling a void that her children/friends cannot. In a few months, she may feel differently.
Please be patient with her and bear in mind that she will come back to your DC and DH

Edited

Thank you, I knew your tone was supportive 🙂

OP posts:
StTola · 03/09/2024 06:51

ChristOnABike87 · 03/09/2024 05:22

They were a very tight knit family of 3 so like I’ve previously said he helped care for FIL attended all appts etc
Not at all, he treats me and our children like we are the centre of his universe
PP probably more accurate with him needing some counselling to deal with his feelings
His dad also idolised his mum and the 2 men since have been smarmy over bearing gits the opposite of the true Gent his dad was 😂

Edited

This is sounds more and more like the plot of Hamlet.

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