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Is this odd for an 11 year old?

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Phonesthesedays · 18/07/2024 07:59

Hi, I have long been a reader of mumsnet, but have never actually set up an account and posted. I’m hoping for some advice on my DD who will be going into year 7 in September. It’s going to be a long one as I’m very confused.

DD has just been acting… odd.

For background, she is bright and sociable, very much talkative and matter of fact. She has been looking forward to going to secondary school since about year 4! Just thought I’d mention as I’m 99% sure she isn’t worried about this.

Of late she has been far quieter and more subdued. She spends most of her time in her room, and gets incredibly upset and distressed if we, for example, don’t close doors when she is in the room. I want to stress that it doesn’t seem like usual teenage bratty behavior (she’s only 11!) but rather genuine distress.

She is ok if we all spend the day together, but sometimes she will seem to suddenly click and act odd again, as though she is in a daze and about to cry. She doesn’t full on cry though.

Often this is in the evenings (I suppose tiredness) and on weekends. It is not usual for her though and I can’t explain how odd it really is because it’s almost subtle.

I don’t know what I’m asking really, can anyone think what it could be? I’m racking my brains. I never thought I’d have to ever create a mn account as she’s usually a joy to raise, apart from the occasional outburst.

OP posts:
kiana2015 · 18/07/2024 08:02

I'm sorry to hear this, is there any chance she could be being bullied either at school or online? Is there also a chance that something could have happened and she is keeping it from you? The closed door situation seems like a safety thing, has someone threatened her at all?

MumDoingMyBest · 18/07/2024 08:04

She could be looking forward to secondary school at the same time as knowing that she will miss primary school.

How is she with her friends?

GRex · 18/07/2024 08:07

Are some friends going to a different school? That might be the sort of thing she hadn't thought through as an implication.

Starting period and didn't discuss it yet?

Bullying?

Struggling academically?

GRex · 18/07/2024 08:08

You'll need to talk with her. Maybe do gardening or another activity together to open some gentle space where she doesn't need to be looking at you to speak, and let her know you feel she has seemed sad recently.

ShreddiesSchool · 18/07/2024 08:10

Is she other phone a lot? If yes, are you looking at what she is doing?

Phonesthesedays · 18/07/2024 08:13

Thank you all for the speedy replies.

Most key friends are going to the same secondary school as her so I don’t think that’s an issue. She hasn’t mentioned any friend problems and walks home and to school with her main ones so I think I would be able to tell if she had any issues there although I will speak to her. It’s just so hard to speak to her without her shutting me out. It’s like any emotion and she’s boxed it up.

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VickyEadieofThigh · 18/07/2024 08:15

If she has private access to the Internet, have you regularly and recently checked what she's been doing on there?

LizzeyBenett · 18/07/2024 08:18

I'd check her phone if she has one check any social media apps she has like til tok snapchat Instagram especially any messages on them

Phonesthesedays · 18/07/2024 08:21

No periods either yet as I’m the one who always cleans out the bathroom bins (that’s another moan for another thread)

There was a bit of a situation with phones though with her best friend. She is very mature for her age so to be honest I trusted her with it. I blocked most social media apps she just had whattsapp and safari and then a few games. She had started to chat to her best friend more on whattsapp which she was excited about. I think she wants to have more grown up conversations (nothing bad but she likes being older and a bit of a know it all to be honest so she kind of shows off her maturity in the way she speaks to her friends). I don’t know the kind of things they were talking about. Anyway then she got upset because her friend didn’t text her back for about two hours with no warning. When she did text back, her friend apologized and said she has to hand her phone over to her parents for them to check messages. This didn’t really occur to me as DD is sensible and only has friends on there who she can speak to in real life too. I did wonder if maybe DD had written something which she didn’t expect an adult to be reading through? This was a good few months ago though.

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RantyMcRanterton · 18/07/2024 08:34

You do need to be checking the phone at age 11, monitoring the message exchanges, what websites are being visited, is she making tic toks etc.

ShreddiesSchool · 18/07/2024 08:41

I don’t know the kind of things they were talking about. Anyway then she got upset because her friend didn’t text her back for about two hours with no warning. When she did text back, her friend apologized and said she has to hand her phone over to her parents for them to check messages. This didn’t really occur to me as DD is sensible and only has friends on there who she can speak to in real life too. I did wonder if maybe DD had written something which she didn’t expect an adult to be reading through?

Oh wow.
You have got to read your dc's messages at that age and probably until about 14/15 at least. Tell your dd that whatever messages she sends on the phone can be shared with anyone and everyone and that most responsible parents will read their dc's messages. Tell her to never ever post or share anything she wouldn't want her grandparents, headteacher or her whole school to read or find out. Kids that age LOVE taking screenshots and sharing them in the wider peer group to cause drama and falling outs, it's hugely fun to some kids.

What do you mean by grown up talk? Stuff around boys, crushes, relationships or politics and news or something else?

Edited for grammar

ShreddiesSchool · 18/07/2024 08:42

Tell your dd that whatever messages she sends on the phone can be shared with anyone and everyone and that most responsible parents will read their dc's messages.

This means that whatever she posts on WhatsApp, is likely to be read at least bu some of the class parents.

MumDoingMyBest · 18/07/2024 08:47

When you say "she is a joy to raise apart from the occasional outburst" what do you mean?
As in can you describe how she is a joy to raise and what do the outbursts look like?

MissUltraViolet · 18/07/2024 08:52

My initial thought was check her phone. After that, I don't know. Perhaps her period is on the horizon and she's struggling to deal with the hormonal changes and emotions it's bringing? My DD struggled a bit before hers started.

She also spends most of her time either in her bedroom or out with her friends!

Maybe a mum and daughter day with some gentle (and not obvious) questioning and probing, might make her open up a bit?

MadameMassiveSalad · 18/07/2024 08:53

It's very likely hormones kicking in op. But yes, check her phone.

Beezknees · 18/07/2024 08:55

You need to be checking her phone messages, I did this daily with DS until he was 13/14.

Maray1967 · 18/07/2024 09:00

ShreddiesSchool · 18/07/2024 08:42

Tell your dd that whatever messages she sends on the phone can be shared with anyone and everyone and that most responsible parents will read their dc's messages.

This means that whatever she posts on WhatsApp, is likely to be read at least bu some of the class parents.

This.

OP, too many of us have thought our DC are ‘very sensible’ …

Check the phone regularly and hammer home the message that anything she writes could be seen by other parents and indeed by teachers.

EllieQ · 18/07/2024 09:03

As well as checking her phone messages, do you have parental controls so she can’t download apps without permission? Do you check what she has been looking at on safari, for example?

My DD is only 9, but I was speaking to a friend with older children about getting DD a phone in a year or so. My friend very strongly advised having the maximum controls on the phone to start with - checking messages, needing parental approval for downloading apps, limiting time on the phone, taking it away in the evenings - all stuff I’d never really thought about. It sounds as though your DD has no controls on her phone apart from restricting social media.

cheddercherry · 18/07/2024 09:06

I’m very shocked you’re not checking her phone and let her have access to both WhatsApp and the web with no safeguards. She could be on chatrooms for a start and she can get on literally anything via safari, including web versions of apps and anyone could add her number to WhatsApp. She could be receiving all kinds of content from her classmates, or sending them images of herself and vice versa. It’s really quite basic internet safety and she is a child, she’s no way mature enough to handle this stuff totally unregulated.

MissKittyFantastico84 · 18/07/2024 09:08

I wonder if she has recently seen something or learned something about growing up that has distressed her - aka elements of sexuality, sexual acts, images she didn't understand.

I remember being around this age, and more streetwise kids taking great joy in sharing everything their older siblings had told them about sex and disturbing crimes, horror films and the suchlike.

I used to find it all really upsetting, and almost felt ashamed of what I now knew - when I was informed by two friends at a sleepover what 'a rapist did', I was traumatised for a long time.

Just a thought, as I think I probably behaved a bit like this when wrestling with these new, adult discoveries.

All the best.

MrHarleyQuin · 18/07/2024 09:09

Sounds like puberty to me.

redskydarknight · 18/07/2024 09:09

Hormones
Argument with friends
Some unpleasantness online
She's worried about secondary school or leaving primary and her old routines (I know you said she was excited, but there's a difference between looking forward to something 2 years in advance and getting worried about it when it's actually about to happen)

I might actually suggest it's more likely to be the last.

Commonsense22 · 18/07/2024 09:09

Phonesthesedays · 18/07/2024 07:59

Hi, I have long been a reader of mumsnet, but have never actually set up an account and posted. I’m hoping for some advice on my DD who will be going into year 7 in September. It’s going to be a long one as I’m very confused.

DD has just been acting… odd.

For background, she is bright and sociable, very much talkative and matter of fact. She has been looking forward to going to secondary school since about year 4! Just thought I’d mention as I’m 99% sure she isn’t worried about this.

Of late she has been far quieter and more subdued. She spends most of her time in her room, and gets incredibly upset and distressed if we, for example, don’t close doors when she is in the room. I want to stress that it doesn’t seem like usual teenage bratty behavior (she’s only 11!) but rather genuine distress.

She is ok if we all spend the day together, but sometimes she will seem to suddenly click and act odd again, as though she is in a daze and about to cry. She doesn’t full on cry though.

Often this is in the evenings (I suppose tiredness) and on weekends. It is not usual for her though and I can’t explain how odd it really is because it’s almost subtle.

I don’t know what I’m asking really, can anyone think what it could be? I’m racking my brains. I never thought I’d have to ever create a mn account as she’s usually a joy to raise, apart from the occasional outburst.

It could be a romantic disappointment. I was like that at that age, for that reason.

Starjumpfifty · 18/07/2024 09:11

Agree with the above re checking her phone.
My friend has a DD in year 7, and over the past year or two, has found countless messages on her phone to older boys, many of whom she doesn't even know, sexually explicit messages and images. Police and school have been involved as it's been so serious. Previous to this, the girl seemed very young for her age and we wouldn't have thought she was doing this.

Oh, and a lot of bullying and nasty messages from girls thought to be her friends were also found.
Not saying this is the case, but it's been eye-opening.

lokomoko · 18/07/2024 09:13

Could be bullying - also if it is bear in mind it can be really hard for them to speak up about it, it took us ages to work out that DS was being bullied, he gave every excuse under the sun until we finally twigged what was actually going on.

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