To not understand the fuss over Taylor Swift.

Well I like her because I like the music - good tunes and songs, diversity

But also as a role model - the one I never had as a child / young adult

She doesn't sell herself on sex the way earlier mega successful female artists did

She is a musician creating her own material that has lyrics that are often funny, relatable , and sometimes ( justifiably ) angry.

She is a woman doing what many men have done for decades, making music that many people like , only usually the men get to do it without ( quite so much of) the associated hate

So far this year I have seen Taylor accused of massive ticket prices ( our tickets were cheaper than the cheapest Springsteen tickets but Taylor was singled out )

I've seen Taylor blamed for lack of hotel accommodation for homeless people in Edinburgh- although this happens every summer because Edinburgh hotels get full of visitors eg to the festival and fringe

She was blamed to doing too many varients of an album - by someone whose album had more than twice as many varients available

There are lots of bands whose music I don't rate who are nevertheless very popular, I never find a need to comment ( bitch ) about them

Just simply defending my God who doesn't deserve the hate people are spitting out.

So your God, who you presumably believe created the earth, put stars into space and holds the world in His hands needs you to defend Him? Really? And your defence of him means judging other people for how they spend their time and money. I’d find a God who allows war and famine pretty indefensible to be honest.

😂 always one sided.. typical

She does a good job of reinventing herself and being enough different to appeal to people, I watched her Bejewelled video the other day, hmmm interesting but very pedestrian.

I don’t get that the 35 year old woman ex colleague I know is mad about her (has liked her since she was 25 it would seem, eg 2010) but her 2 DD’s (both under 10) like Taylor and they’re all going to her concert in Manchester so I don’t think it’s that awful.

"Just a boy in a chevvy truck" is not really on par with

"Yeah you're fucking with some wet ass pussy" and other stuff out there

That Cardi B sings,

is it :)

Now now, be kind to others.

Faith in a God is opinion. Probably deeply held,maybe longstanding,but opinion nonetheless . Opinion with no factual or empirical basis. That’s the thing about faith, it’s a non-factual state of being that requires suspension of reality. You literally bend truth and make modifications to fit in your God frame of reference
Do Not berate,or cajole me about God and then complain when you get contrary pov

As an aside TS is known to pay bonuses,treat crew well, and overall is well regarded in her treatment of people who work for her

They should tbh

@iamtheblcksheep "If a man behaves how she does there’s be an outcry"

how so? Genuinely flummoxed by this one.

another poster mentioned her having a break for a few years, no. Fans have had a solid supply of our narcotics for 18 years.

What, like Elvis?! 😂
Pp asked if she is preachy about the environment. No, she is not Emma Thompson or Al Gore, flying around to preach about green stuff.

I really don't think we'd have this number of "who is Taylor Swift anyway, ewww" threads if she were a man.

She’s a great business woman but also a bit of a slimy con artist. If a man behaved how she does there’d be an outcry.

She was a twenty something cosplaying tween until she started to look a bit hypo washed up.

Now she’s a 30 something cosplaying a twenty year old.

Shes not that pretty not a fantastic singer and most of her songs wouldn’t get a second glance if it was someone else singing them but each to their own.

whatever floats your boat I guess

Holy shit, another one of these??

Seriously?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5087827-can-anyone-explain-this-crazy-taylor-swift-mania

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5064715-to-think-taylor-swift-is-overrated

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5058658-am-i-the-only-person-that-doesnt-like-taylor-swift?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5058378-bored-of-taylor-swift

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5006231-to-think-enough-with-taylor-swift-the-boyfriend-the-superbowl-and-the-beer-all-over-the-news

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5006103-to-ask-what-the-appeal-is-for-taylor-swift?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4849719-to-not-get-the-taylor-swift-hype

I think you're right it is a marketing success.

Again good for her I really do think it's lovely to not have oversexualised performances with sexualised lyrics so it is good to know people can be successful without all that crap.

I recommend you look up False God, Dress, Afterglow, Guilty as Sin, So High School, and the performance of Vigilante Shit... if you think she steers clear of sex as a topic. Even her first single contained the lyric "just a boy in a chevvy truck, that had a tendency of getting stuck, on back roads at night", thats quite a clear implication. I don't know where this common misconception comes from.

Humans love large scale spectacles and uniting events and always have. Look at the Greek and Roman amphitheatres! You are onto a loser here I’m afraid naysayers humans have been partying on and watching the Taylor Swift equivalents for literally thousands of years and will no doubt continue to do so for years to come. Join in the fun!

as a guide leader in 2010 or thereabouts I remember some 12 year old girls declaring their love for her. But it seems like lots of adults seem to love her too!

You have answered your own question. Those 12 year olds from 2010 are the ones now queuing up, paid whatever they did with their own money and are having a ball. Good for them when those in their 20s have very little to be positive about these days

This.

Yes but they were different. Ditto the Stones, Madonna and Beyonce.

Obsessed fans are not new and that is fine but usually the focus of the adulation is something new, exciting different. Not a pretty girl singing nice songs. Good on her seriously, but it is baffling.

It's very clever marketing.

They've marketed taylor as the good, sweet , middle class girl.

She's not the bad rebel girl.

This marketing of her appeals to children and mum's so they can go together to see her.

A mum can bring her young daughter to see taylor swift.

She can't bring her young daughter to see a lot of other female artists as they sing about sex.

That's the reason.

In my opinion, taylors music is not amazing

Do people make posts like this about overpaid footballers and F1 drivers or is it only women who get scrutinised and criticised for being successful and rich?

I don't know if you are actually misunderstanding. The average trucker in the USA makes $62,000 per year. Presuming they are contracted at that average they are being paid something in this region, I agree that is the bare minimum. What is not the 'bare minimum' is giving them additional payment of 7 times their average annual salary on top. That is life changing money!

You must have somehow missed that the 55 billion were bonuses. Paid on top of their salary. Extra. Bonuses. In addition to.

Do not give details they don't already have.

To put it into perspective, US churches are estimated alone make $378 billion a year annually. Taylors net worth is only 1.3 billion.

Current estimates by oxfam is that it would cost $37 billion to end world hunger annually.

Christians could solve world hunger if they wanted to. But they don't. Why is that?