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To feel desperately sorry for kids leaving state "care"?

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BlowDryRat · 03/10/2023 12:01

I have to admit my ignorance on this, so correct me if I'm wrong.

The more I see on here and read in the news about failings in state care for children, the more appalled I am. It must be absolutely terrifying to be coming up to your 18th birthday, knowing that from then on you're on your own. Imagine sitting your A-levels through that. Living in a hostel, no safety net, no bank of Mum and Dad, no home for the holidays if you go to uni, no one who gives a flying fuck, just you slogging your way to haul yourself into adulthood. Kids are leaving foster placements and children's homes not knowing how to cook, do laundry or manage a budget. WTAF. Kicking kids out at 18 totally unprepared for the world and washing your hands of them isn't care. It shouldn't be up to charities to try to pick up the pieces.

YABU - you have no idea what you're talking about and children leaving care are well supported.

YANBU - it's disgraceful.

Any pointers to campaigns/charities/more info in this area would be welcome too.

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DisquietintheRanks · 05/10/2023 21:14

Willyoujustbequiet · 03/10/2023 13:32

I wonder what happens to children with disabilities/additional needs then who are unable to help themselves?

Quite often addiction, terrible mental health, prison and the streets in some combination.

IhateJan22 · 05/10/2023 21:26

Watch Joe Squash kids in care programme. Also Centrepoint are a great organisation for campaigning against youth homelessness, not just care leavers. I work for a charity supporting those leaving care and believe me it’s awful, they have usually had a traumatic experience and have to try and navigate the world at the age of 16/17 living off a pittance.

IhateJan22 · 05/10/2023 22:14

listsandbudgets · 03/10/2023 20:59

It's dire.

Follow https://twitter.com/ccwild79 on Twitter he was bought up in care and has done a lot of campaigning

And as for supported accommodation... in a lot of cases there's so support and some of it barely warrants the title of accommodation. The sector should be subject to tight checks and regulation

It’s about to be under Ofsted. From the end of this month.

Adarajames · 07/10/2023 03:27

Care leavers in our local authority (well last one, moved recently and doubt this one is any good as torie run) are tested far better than many places.
they are supported until ages 21 or 25, have priority for social housing, and have support workers far beyond 16/18. Sure it’s still far from ideal, but does seem to be a lot better than many other LAs

CommitmentToSparkleMotionInDoubt · 07/10/2023 03:48

I was another one forced out at 16.

I got given £7.50 a week to live on, which I was supposed to collect from the social services building split into different amounts so I'd have to go in most days of the week to collect a couple of pounds. It was about a five mile round trip and I ended up not getting any money because the bus fare would mean that I'd have spent it before I got it.

My periods stopped for six months from malnourishment.

The whole time I was entitled to income support but no one bothered to tell me. It wasn't until I was 17 that a friend told me I was eligible, helped me apply for it, and also got me a place in a refuge which was like a little flat.

Social services were less than useless. To be honest, they couldn't have done worse than if they'd been deliberately trying to sabotage any chance of me having a successful life.

Madwife123 · 07/10/2023 03:55

Most of the kids don’t even get to 18!

I’m a foster carer and before now I had a child aged 13 run away to his mum’s house. Social services decided he would keep doing it so they left him there. Mum had been declared unfit to parent and had a newborn removed just 6 months earlier but as he was a teenager they didn’t care.

I always wonder how he got on as I just know he was returning to a really bad situation.

Had many children at age 16 put in ‘supported living’ which is meaningless and doesn’t provide any support at all.

Other children have stayed longer than 18 as they have wanted to stay but social services then provided absolutely no support to foster carers who look after these children for longer. Even though they have a duty to them as care leavers they decide as they remain at the foster placement the carer can do all that and so you never see them. Plus it’s at your own expense as the allowance stops the day they turn 18.

These children are absolutely being failed!

AceofPentacles · 07/10/2023 05:51

There aren't enough foster carers
There aren't enough good foster carers
By the time kids get to leaving care they have so many issues but there are no mental health or substance misuse services
There is no onward housing available- care leavers used to be priority A but now in hostels with adults/families
I have been a leaving care SW and there are success stories but most of the time it's last chance saloon by the time they get to us (aged 16).

MyCircumference · 07/10/2023 06:02

there was a heart breaking programme on channel 4 recently with a half way house/children's home - eye opening.
we had a care leaver lodging with us when i was a teenager,
he eventually moved back to be near his mum, as did his sister. she still had a foster family but he was over 18.
i have no idea what he is up to now

AutumnCrow · 07/10/2023 06:45

The bald statistics are grim.

Over 10,000 young people in England 'age out' of the care system every year on their 18th birthday.

Care leavers make up at least 25%* *of the homeless population, and rising rapidly - I've seen one estimate as high as 39% for one area.

Almost 25% of the adult prison population have previously been in care, and nearly 50% of under 21-year-olds in contact with the criminal justice system have spent time in care.

The few examples in the thread of good practice are going to get harder and harder to sustain as Local Authorities continue to be deprived of sufficient central government funding and the housing crisis worsens. Some really big councils like Hampshire County Council and Birmingham City Council are in serious trouble. Core statutory services are being stripped to the bone and only basic legal duties are being met (and often not even that for children with SEND).

I support a local charity service for people who are homeless & sofa surfing. But it's not enough. Just a sticking plaster.

DrCliveHumphreys · 12/01/2025 22:51

Mrs Jimmy Perez
Perez you have made the mistake of believing that ALL parents are bad for their children (woke Social Services nonsense). Many LAC children go on to have meaningful and constructive relationships with their parents. You have not taken into account the many, many Miscarriages of British Jusice in His Majesty's Family Courts where children are wrongfully taken from their parents and the children suffer (not the Social Workers) - One only has to look at how the Post Office prosecutors manipulated expert witnesses to understand how expert Social Workers have become at manipulating scared parents in Family Courts. I am sorry for you Mrs Perez if you think that removal thresholds are high and that Social Workers are ALWAYS right.
And as a final point the results of ONS (national statistics) fundings for outcomes from Residential Units is deplorably poor compared to Foster Homes or Supported Families.

DrCliveHumphreys · 12/01/2025 22:57

Statistics for Children leaving care is disgraceful (ONS)

DrCliveHumphreys · 12/01/2025 23:05

The Government and the Flawed Courts put the LAC kids in Care. They have a responsibility and a duty to integrate them into Society. 50% of 18-21 yros entering Criminal Justice are from Local Authorities. This is a HORRIBLE STATISTIC. Taking children from one harsh environment and preparing them for an even harsher environment IS NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF......

DrCliveHumphreys · 12/01/2025 23:09

Looked After Children have the right to sue Local Authorities for the failings in Individual care cases. If these cases come to light like the concealed Post Office affair then law praticioners like Sir Kier Starmer will have a lot to answer for.
I don't suppose these LAC seek redress as revenge for a failed system THEY PROBABLY WANT CARE NOW and ONGOING CARE

DrCliveHumphreys · 12/01/2025 23:14

The Local Authority can be sued for failing to tell LAC children about THE LEAVING CARE ACT. May I suggest you get legal advice or you pursue advice from one of the Social Workers who is interested in Justice and Actually caring for children instead of those Social Workers protecting the broken Local Authorities' LAC system

coxesorangepippin · 12/01/2025 23:16

I know of one woman whose parents kicked her out at 14. Her and her brother.

Luckily she had her head screwed on right and now lives in silicone valley and is the most successful person I know.

Adverse situations can really inspire ambition

Not that it's the same for everyone, obviously

DrCliveHumphreys · 12/01/2025 23:18

What a disgrace the failed LAC system is. With a lawyer in 10 Downing Street the Local Authorities ' LAC system is likely to get worse. The ONS figures bear out the appalling outcomes for LAC children (almost as awful as Romania when the press wanted to do an expose on Romanian orphanages)

DrCliveHumphreys · 12/01/2025 23:29

Social Workers just don't give parents the support they need.... therefore REMOVAL THRESHOLDS ARE JUST TOO LOW and the Family Court Judges know this. Why do Judges allow CAFCA social workers collaboration with Local Authorities....it simply defeats Fair Justice.

vodkaredbullgirl · 12/01/2025 23:29

DrCliveHumphreys · 12/01/2025 23:29

Social Workers just don't give parents the support they need.... therefore REMOVAL THRESHOLDS ARE JUST TOO LOW and the Family Court Judges know this. Why do Judges allow CAFCA social workers collaboration with Local Authorities....it simply defeats Fair Justice.

You sound angry

CornishClott · 13/01/2025 09:46

Madwife123 · 07/10/2023 03:55

Most of the kids don’t even get to 18!

I’m a foster carer and before now I had a child aged 13 run away to his mum’s house. Social services decided he would keep doing it so they left him there. Mum had been declared unfit to parent and had a newborn removed just 6 months earlier but as he was a teenager they didn’t care.

I always wonder how he got on as I just know he was returning to a really bad situation.

Had many children at age 16 put in ‘supported living’ which is meaningless and doesn’t provide any support at all.

Other children have stayed longer than 18 as they have wanted to stay but social services then provided absolutely no support to foster carers who look after these children for longer. Even though they have a duty to them as care leavers they decide as they remain at the foster placement the carer can do all that and so you never see them. Plus it’s at your own expense as the allowance stops the day they turn 18.

These children are absolutely being failed!

He went back Probably because he had loads of freedom to do as he wished at his mums with no boundaries. A lot of these kids are allowed to smoke and drink too . Also he probably felt great resentment towards social service's at being taken away from his mum as he loved her despite her bring a crap mum .

I've seen kids idolise inadequate parents and I've seen kids despise good parents .

CornishClott · 13/01/2025 09:48

coxesorangepippin · 12/01/2025 23:16

I know of one woman whose parents kicked her out at 14. Her and her brother.

Luckily she had her head screwed on right and now lives in silicone valley and is the most successful person I know.

Adverse situations can really inspire ambition

Not that it's the same for everyone, obviously

Maybe it's because she was fostered with great foster parents who showed her a different side to life and her eyes were opened and she wanted a slice of it for herself. Well done and good luck to her .

Dontcomeforme01 · 13/01/2025 09:52

BlowDryRat · 03/10/2023 12:01

I have to admit my ignorance on this, so correct me if I'm wrong.

The more I see on here and read in the news about failings in state care for children, the more appalled I am. It must be absolutely terrifying to be coming up to your 18th birthday, knowing that from then on you're on your own. Imagine sitting your A-levels through that. Living in a hostel, no safety net, no bank of Mum and Dad, no home for the holidays if you go to uni, no one who gives a flying fuck, just you slogging your way to haul yourself into adulthood. Kids are leaving foster placements and children's homes not knowing how to cook, do laundry or manage a budget. WTAF. Kicking kids out at 18 totally unprepared for the world and washing your hands of them isn't care. It shouldn't be up to charities to try to pick up the pieces.

YABU - you have no idea what you're talking about and children leaving care are well supported.

YANBU - it's disgraceful.

Any pointers to campaigns/charities/more info in this area would be welcome too.

I know 4 care leavers and it hasnt been like that for them ( 3 direct family members and 1 friend )

All 4 of them got social housing and support until they were 25. They get help with rent/council tax ect, sure it's up to the age of 25 too. My sister works with care leavers and she helps support them with staying in work, paying Bill's ect, cooking, keeping their places clean, budgetting,

It must depend on your area and maybe level of needes because the people I know have been looked after.

Maddy70 · 13/01/2025 10:09

Often it's 16. It's utterly shocking. They are totally disadvantaged in every way , they have additional pressures academically so often fail then get set on a cycle of benefits, crime, etc.

It's a complete disgrace

sunstreaming · 13/01/2025 10:17

There is a charity woollyhugs.org for which you can knit a hat and scarf set to be given to Care leavers at one of the Christmas parties organised in various locations across the UK> These parties were started by the poet Lem Sissay, who grew up in Care. Have a look at their website.

Gogogo12345 · 13/01/2025 10:18

Startyabastard · 03/10/2023 14:44

It's obscene how little they are supported and guided. Some of that will be down to cuts.

I don't think it's new. I was a care leaver back in late 80sand was given a council flat just before my 17th birthday. . However I was well able to sort my own cooking washing etc. surely this should be taught to all kids ,and even more so to those in care.

Social services did pay the rent for the first year which made me feel very well off and I was too young for poll tax. I was working full time in the day and doing my A levels at evening classes. So built is plenty of savings and learned to drive.

You don't need to continue to be a " victim" of circumstances.

Bought my first home when I was 20