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For all those who are happy with TW in single-sex spaces if they have “had the op”

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MoleSmokes Tue 16-Feb-21 11:02:13

So you would not be happy with Blaire White in your public toilets/changing rooms/refuges etc. but you would be OK with Jessica? hmm

Apparently, JY is not only being “lewd and inappropriate” to the female firefighters sent to lift JY out of the bath twice a day but has been harassing women on Twitter, by tagging them in posts with selfies of the suppurating neo-vag and asking them for advice 🤮

”JY is back and worse than ever”

youtu.be/zcqpyOqbAuE

This is the dilemma that will arise if you go down the ”but true trans are OK” route of gate-keeping women’s spaces.

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Xanthangum Tue 16-Feb-21 11:47:09

suppurating neo-vag

There just isn't enough zoflora in the universe to scrub this out of my life...

Melroses Tue 16-Feb-21 11:49:04

Yes I shouldn't have looked. It was terrible.
Plastic surgery does not a woman make.

ThatIsNotMyUsername Tue 16-Feb-21 11:50:31

Not looking not looking... Ive seen on twitter that there are some nasty pics on there...

WhoWh0 Tue 16-Feb-21 11:57:59

Male and female firefighters.
30 call outs in less than 2 weeks.
Close up photos of genital area surgery site on Twitter tagging in a random doctor (never actually met), the local fire-fighting department and the local government (which issued the “lewd and inappropriate” accusation).
Tweeted photos of having a period”, again tagging in fire and local government departments.
Tweeted video of being stuck in bathtub, necessitating another emergency call out.

Still permitted on Twitter, when GC women are banned for s/he.

Truly doubting the sanity of the world right now....

Shedbuilder Tue 16-Feb-21 12:23:30

It's all good. It's all making ordinary people sit up and take notice. I just feel terribly sorry for all those who are being abused by JY.

KleineDracheKokosnuss Tue 16-Feb-21 12:36:22

I sincerely hope JY gets the help JY needs.

Then JY turns round and sues all those who went along with/affirmed.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown Tue 16-Feb-21 12:45:54

I used to think so back when I thought TW were rare, generally gay and transsexual.
Now, definitely not. There are a lot of JYs out there.

KleineDracheKokosnuss Tue 16-Feb-21 12:47:57

If JY is indeed a sufferer of dysphoria, then JY is presumably ‚true trans‘ (if we’re going with dysphoria is the Definition of ‚True Trans‘). (Caveat: terms borrowed from above. I have no idea what is currently considered ‚correct‘ wording).

At which point we presumably say: ok, JY must be treated as a woman and can use the ladies, assuming we retain only male and female toilets (I favour third spaces in order to accommodate maximum rights).

What would we do with a woman who tweeted offensive pics, harassed others, or behaved in a threatening, racist or other ‚ist‘ manner?

We would use public order rules and legislation to constrain JYs behaviour. People would sue JY for harassment and obtain injunctions. Action may even include barring JY from public bathrooms. If JY continued, there may be mental health intervention needed. We have the tools to remove such woman’s and transwomen from spaces. The hard part would be getting the public authorities to use them.

Defaultname Tue 16-Feb-21 12:52:43

Xanthangum

*suppurating neo-vag*

There just isn't enough zoflora in the universe to scrub this out of my life...

I was reading it as 'meat-and-two-vag'...

AdHominemNonSequitur Tue 16-Feb-21 12:54:40

I feel like she must some how be secretly gender critical. Could any one individual be said to be doing more to win over hearts and minds for the arguement for sex protected spaces than JY.
Though on a personal level, my boundaries do not include toilets (I would hapily share my facilities with Trans Women in the women's, or men in unisex toilets for that matter), it is not my place to tell other women where their boundaries should be. I think the Trans Women being unsafe in the men's loo arguement is bogus, because Trans Men use the men's loo by choice all the time, as far as I can tell the crime stats do not back up toilet attacks in the UK (that may be different elsewhere) and if you can self ID into any loo, then by default the men who would harm trans women in the men's will follow them into the women's. The arguement put forward that men will come into the loos anyway to attack if they want to, negates the arguement that trans women would be safer there. But all of it is nonsense. It's a social contract, backed up by the legislation in the event it is abused. Anyone can walk into any tolilet at any time but remove the legal protection and the social contract is gone. Truth is trans women do use women's toilets. Now, in the past and all the time, they shouldn't officially, but they do and it is tolerated, until it isn't. The whole TWAW mantra forces most people to be much less accepting of something that was already being tolerated, because when you shine a light on it, you just see so clearly all the nonsense.

Gcnq Tue 16-Feb-21 13:41:00

JY actually had the op..?

youkiddingme Tue 16-Feb-21 13:55:42

Several people in the video comments suggesting the photos are 'borrowed'. No idea if there's anything in that

Zinco Tue 16-Feb-21 14:16:24

You can do an image search to check something like that whether it's original; but speaking personally I wouldn't go anywhere near it. Not looking.

Zinco Tue 16-Feb-21 14:18:06

Or maybe, ask one of the firefighters...

MoleSmokes Tue 16-Feb-21 14:22:30

Blaire White has pixilated the image so the video is safe to watch.

JY is apparently claiming the need for two baths a day due to having had the op.

“Gender Dysphoria” can be due to psychosis. Some clear examples already in prison. This is another travesty: institutional capture that has led to this diagnosis being ignored.

If JY does end up in prison or a psychiatric facility then, this being Canada, it will be with women.

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Gottalife Tue 16-Feb-21 14:46:39

This is the dilemma that will arise if you go down the ”but true trans are OK” route of gate-keeping women’s spaces.

I doubt it. JY is a one off. Not representative of the normal true trans.

MoleSmokes Tue 16-Feb-21 14:56:49

Gottalife

*This is the dilemma that will arise if you go down the ”but true trans are OK” route of gate-keeping women’s spaces.*

I doubt it. JY is a one off. Not representative of the normal true trans.

A “one off”? Hardly.

How can you possibly know when no one even knows how many trans people there are and how many have had “the op”?

Serious question.

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Gottalife Tue 16-Feb-21 15:11:15

How can you possibly know when no one even knows how many trans people there are and how many have had “the op”?

Serious question.

I have never, ever encountered anyone like JY and I think I probably have more chance of being struck by lightning. "The op" does not cause personallity disorders.

NK493efc93X1277dd3d6d4 Tue 16-Feb-21 15:16:15

Absolutely agree with the way it is at the moment.
I was originally one of the "only post op" supporters but the only trans I was aware of were old school dysphoric transexuals (usually gay) who simply wanted to fit in quietly.

The recent massive push on surgeries has led to the exhibitionist variant such as JY who constantly crave the attention.

notyourhandmaid Tue 16-Feb-21 15:22:37

Ah, the 'true trans' - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Barracker Tue 16-Feb-21 15:23:30

JY is a one off. Not representative of the normal true trans.

Simply not true. There are MANY.
One of the very first truest of true trans recognised with an early GRC shortly after the GRA became law, was the case of the convicted murderer and rapist "Karen Jones". Not to be confused with "Karen White". Another male rapist in women's prison.

Jones killed a man, was imprisoned, released, and almost immediately attempted to rape a woman to get put back inside. Whilst inside, he was awarded a GRC. Not content with his GRC, he demanded to be relocated to the women's prison in order to be considered to be "living as a woman" to get his operation. (He'd already been considered to have 'lived in role as a woman for two years' to get his GRC. But he argued he had to do it in a woman's prison to get his operation) The secretary of state denied him the transfer, so he took them to appeal and won the right to be housed with women under the guise of "I have to, in order to get my operation, even though I'm a murderer, a rapist, and already have a GRC"

Its immaterial whether a man amputates his genitalia, or does not. Whether he has a GRC, or does not. Whether he is a known rapist, or is not. Whether he takes hormones, or does not. Whether he's dangerous, or is not.

There exists no magic portal for any men to become women. There is no "true" trait that overcomes this reality for any man. All men are men. Forever. There's nothing "true" in any man that renders him an honorary woman, no matter who he is, what he feels or what he does.

We perpetuate a dangerous myth when we hold up 'becoming female' as if it was a prize for men who perform, or threaten, or have drastic procedures, or gain ridiculous certificates.

It's way past time we stopped offering up women as sacrificial lambs for men who demand we not treat them like other men.

LongPauseNoAnswer Tue 16-Feb-21 15:26:34

I saw the photos by accident and it’s horrifying. Horrifying because it’s a genuine “look at my new vag” narcissist firework display.

Not enough brain bleach in existence to wipe it from my head.

MoleSmokes Tue 16-Feb-21 15:29:02

The op" does not cause personallity disorders.

If I gave you the impression that I thought that, then I apologise.

The people (mostly in prison) who attempt self-castration, sometimes successfully, clearly have psychiatric problems beforehand. They are usually very dangerous people who are clinically psychotic.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g Tue 16-Feb-21 15:33:02

Amen to that, Barracker. I'd like to see a huge investment in mental health services and counselling, with an emphasis on recruiting level-headed people who are empathetic, capable of very clear communication in plain English and extremely good at critical thinking to work in said services. They would spend a good long time with the deeply confused children, teens and adults with gender issues untangling their ideas about what it means to be a man or a woman, exploring the harmful effects of gender stereotyping, discussing upbringing etc etc, all with a view to bringing the confused people to a realisation that you can be anything you like in personality terms, but you are stuck with your biological sex for the whole of your life, just as you are with your adult height or your eye colour. Cosmetic surgery is superficial. Hormone treatment is not 100% safe.

Pipe dream, of course.

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