For all those who are happy with TW in single-sex spaces if they have “had the op”

[MoleSmokes]

So you would not be happy with Blaire White in your public toilets/changing rooms/refuges etc. but you would be OK with Jessica?

Apparently, JY is not only being “lewd and inappropriate” to the female firefighters sent to lift JY out of the bath twice a day but has been harassing women on Twitter, by tagging them in posts with selfies of the suppurating neo-vag and asking them for advice 🤮

”JY is back and worse than ever”

This is the dilemma that will arise if you go down the ”but true trans are OK” route of gate-keeping women’s spaces.

”surgery has definately been used historically for social functions (courtiers to royal women etc). I don't know what to make of that.”

The idea was that surgery in those instances removed the risk of pregnancy and of muddling “the line” with illegitimate offspring.

Completely agree Barracker.

(Missed in the cross-post until now!)

Adhominem, changes to the body will affect hormone driven urges. However lots of sex crimes are not hormonally driven. They are more about power, dominance and abuse than hormones.

JY is an attention-seeker with an enabling mother. How JY has evaded the Canadian equivalent of being sectioned is a mystery to me. If a person behaving as JY does can convince a surgeon of having capacity to understand and consent to major and irreversible elective surgery of that nature, the medical profession has a huge problem.

I doubt it. JY is a one off. Not representative of the normal true trans.
I'm not sure about that at all. JY is an outlier because JY is either too psychotic or too spectacularly dim (or both) to realise that JY is doing enormous damage to JY's cause.
However, as soon as you spend any amount of time on Twitter attempting to discuss the issue, it becomes clear that JY's motivations are horrifyingly common.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown I have seen some horrible things on Twitter too - not just “Anonymous Anime Characters” but identifiable people with real jobs, not “basement-dwelling incels”.

Another recent video by Blaire White, who is probably what most people imagine to be the epitome of “true trans” - but who is not. (The “true trans” distinction is meaningless.)

”THIS is why the trans community isn’t respected (RANT)”

Jenn Smith (transgender male) explains why attempting to make the distinction is dangerous - and how women can be lured into countenancing “acceptance without exception”, even at the expense of the safety of their own children:

”The Transgender Jedi Mind Trick”

I doubt it. JY is a one off. Not representative of the normal true trans.

This is simply no true. Yaniv's beliefs, words and actions are very typical of transgenderists.

There are threads here dedicated to their postings on the broader internet.

Transgenderists should not be confused with transsexuals who understand they do not want to be attacked for their presentation but who understand the need for sex segregated spheres.

There is a reason why transgenderists call transsexuals scum.

@youkiddingme

Several people in the video comments suggesting the photos are 'borrowed'. No idea if there's anything in that

With JY's past antics, that is a very likely scenario.

Does anyone know for a fact those photos are really of that person?
Surely the gatekeepers would be assessing and screening surgery applicants and only allow this surgery for the most sane and emotionally stable people.
This is very odd.

I'm proud to say I'm blocked from @tustednerd

@PurpleHoodie

I doubt it. JY is a one off. Not representative of the normal true trans.

This is simply no true. Yaniv's beliefs, words and actions are very typical of transgenderists.

There are threads here dedicated to their postings on the broader internet.

Transgenderists should not be confused with transsexuals who understand they do not want to be attacked for their presentation but who understand the need for sex segregated spheres.

There is a reason why transgenderists call transsexuals scum.

I stand to be corrected if I’m wrong but my impression is that when people talk about “true trans” they are talking about transsexuals who have “had the op”. I have never come across the term being used other than in this way.

From the urban dictionary:

truscum

A queer individual that holds the belief that you require gender dysphoria to identify as transgender.

The beliefs of some truscums can be a bit extreme, though most aren't. The one thing all truscums have in common is that they believe you must experience some form of gender dysphoria (no matter what form of dysphoria, as long as it is existent) to be able to identify as transgender.

I don't believe the photos are actually of JY's body. Surely someone of JY's BMI would have been denied elective surgery due to the health risks? I think they are stolen photos and JY is a pathological liar and narcissist.

@Awning10

From the urban dictionary:

truscum

A queer individual that holds the belief that you require gender dysphoria to identify as transgender.

The beliefs of some truscums can be a bit extreme, though most aren't. The one thing all truscums have in common is that they believe you must experience some form of gender dysphoria (no matter what form of dysphoria, as long as it is existent) to be able to identify as transgender.

What's your point?

my impression is that when people talk about “true trans” they are talking about transsexuals who have “had the op”

Not according to the gender ID activist stuff that I've seen. According to them "true trans" is nothing to do with medical treatment. It means someone who has something like the soul of the other sex, who will obtain happiness only through everyone else believing that they are that sex and if everyone doesn't will exist in perpetual torment and may have to kill themselves. If someone regrets transition, this shows they weren't "true trans".

Nighthawker, I wondered the same. However he does have letters addressed to Jessica Simpson, and if he flashed the firemen...

What's your point?

Referring to point in earlier post:

There is a reason why transgenderists call transsexuals scum.

Apologies if off topic.

No, because surgery on genitals changes nothing: not behaviour, not mental illness, not personality disorders.

A person who has had surgery on their genitals is still the same sex they were before they had surgery.

Acception without exception.
The trans community 'own' JY.

Ah! I was referring to how I have seen “true trans” used by women on Mumsnet rather than a “dictionary definition” or how it is used by trans activists. Thank you for that info.

@Awning10

What's your point?

Referring to point in earlier post:

There is a reason why transgenderists call transsexuals scum.

Apologies if off topic.

”There is a reason why transgenderists call transsexuals scum.”

It was explained to me by a transsexual who had just been called “truscum” on Twitter that transgenderists redefined the abbreviation TS = Transsexual to TS = TruScum.

The beef that TG have with TS is that TG, as explained by a PP, want “being trans” to be detached from any form of medical diagnosis, ie. dysphoria. Instead, a “trans gender identity” should be accepted as a form of normal, human variation, recognised by self-declaration without any societal requirement for “gender expression” to differ from the usual “sex stereotypes”.

I got this from reading presentations at “trans conferences”, eg. EUPATH.

The outcome would be that an individual could conform entirely in external appearance to the stereotypes for their sex and, without any bodily alterations, be officially recognised as the opposite sex by virtue of “gender identity”. The meaningfulness of observable, verifiable biological sex is therefore completely erased and replaced by the hypothetical, unverifiable concept of inner “gender identity”.

The UK police force already believe this, accommodating officers who say they are “gender fluid” and swap between male and female “gender identities” involuntarily in response to environment and circumstances.

” Scotland Yard police officer becomes Britain's first gender-fluid bobby with two ID cards in the names of Abi and Callum”

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4533014/Scotland-Yard-officer-Britain-s-gender-fluid-cop.html

If I understand things correctly, “TruScum” would agree that the Met has gone batshit crazy.

So if you were arrested and that officer needed to do a body search, could they switch to their other gender to meet the criteria for same sex/gender to conduct said search?

Another instance where sex =/= gender except in wokesville.

I thought the 'true trans' test was that

You are what you say you are (unless you're a middle aged woman it seems)

If you do something reprehensible that means you are not really trans and it's not a trans crime

Yaniv needs to be sectioned. For their own sake and society.

I think that Yaniv has a personality disorder rather than a mental illness for which sectioning would be appropriate.

@CranberriesChoccyAgain

So if you were arrested and that officer needed to do a body search, could they switch to their other gender to meet the criteria for same sex/gender to conduct said search?

Another instance where sex =/= gender except in wokesville.

Yes. I don’t know if they would have to go to the bother of changing uniform or not.

According to the Met any officer can search anyone but they prefer if an officer of the same gender (not sex) conducts a search. “Gender” designation does not require a GRC (so it is Self-ID).

Non-binary officers should only search people of the same sex.

I think I’ve got that right - see these documents. No specific mention of Gender Fluid apart from in the glossary as far as I could see:

Met Transgender Policy
www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/disclosure_2019/july_2019/information-rights-unit---transgender-policy

Met Stop & Search Policy Toolkit - Q&As

www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/policies/strategy-and-governance---stop-and-search-questions-and-answers