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Harry will be on R4 PM shortly!

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ThinEndoftheWedge · 14/02/2020 17:01

Not sure what time!

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ThinEndoftheWedge · 14/02/2020 17:07

Now 17.06

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DiscontentedWoman · 14/02/2020 17:08

Listening in now!

thistimelastweek · 14/02/2020 17:08

Harry who?

DiscontentedWoman · 14/02/2020 17:10

Oh blimey Evan, love. You need to get a handle on this shit mate.

AbsintheFriends · 14/02/2020 17:11

Well, this is interesting!

Harry sounding very much in control. And calling out the Good Doctor and chums. Interviewer (Evan Davies??) is obviously a sweet summer child when it comes to Twitter debate, and seems to believe Harry is out there on his own, tweeting into a void.

hoxt · 14/02/2020 17:12

Omg this is a car crash for Evan

SurpriseSparDay · 14/02/2020 17:12

It was an interesting conversation.

Lazyteens · 14/02/2020 17:14

Evan Davies’ twisting of the news story astounds me. Well done to Harry for putting across the point so well.

Herocomplex · 14/02/2020 17:15

Ah yes, Evan Davis who on a R4 programme about the patriarchy concluded that although it might have existed it no longer does in any meaningful way.

His insistence that the tweets were anti-trans as well as seeming to confuse sex and gender were evidence of his bias.

refusetobeasheep · 14/02/2020 17:18

evan massively annoying - he needs to do a bit of research

RoyalCorgi · 14/02/2020 17:24

I normally really admire Evan Davies on PM, but he was completely clueless. Hilarious to hear him mention Dr Haddock. He obviously has no idea how much abuse trans activists put out on Twitter against women.

Lazyteens · 14/02/2020 17:25

He might have some idea, but just doesn’t care...

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ThinEndoftheWedge · 14/02/2020 17:27

Yes - The person he brings up - AH -isn’t Transgender, thinks ‘adult human female’ is offensive and loads of people have reported him to the GMC. Not sure how he is still practicing!

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totalnamechanger · 14/02/2020 17:31

Harry very very composed and clear headed!

Herocomplex that’s exactly what I was thinking about the patriarchy program. Well... the patriarchy might not affect Evan. Likewise he implied that Harry was obsessively focused on a niche area totally unrelated to Harry’s life- as if didn’t affect at least 51% of the population. Which is likely to include members of Harry’s family, his friends, colleagues 🙄🙄. Can’t you imagine how this could affect you or anyone you know, Evan?!! Really?

I used to really like him on the Today Program but it appears he has a rather large blind spot.

Floisme · 14/02/2020 17:34

I didn't hear the interview but if it was Davies who brought up Dr H - who I would say is pretty much unknown beyond certain social media circles - then I find it hard to believe the clueless act.

PronounssheRa · 14/02/2020 17:36

I didnt listen. What was the context for bringing harrop into the discussions? And did Evan think harrop was some kind of reputable voice?

SunsetBoulevard3 · 14/02/2020 17:36

Harry who?

nauticant · 14/02/2020 17:41

I'd recommend listening to the programme:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000f7yk

when it's available for listen again in an hour or so. Basically Davis decided to ignore the decision of the legal case and run a series of gotchas to show to the audience that Miller is a bigot. It was so bad that even people on twitter were complaining about bias.

Herocomplex · 14/02/2020 17:44

I guess it depends who’s done the research for the piece as well.

It was a scattergun interview designed to make the interviewer sound like a slightly hysterical loon, by throwing names and accusations about.

Herocomplex · 14/02/2020 17:46

Sorry nauticant I didn’t see your post before I wrote mine, exactly as you say.

TheShoesa · 14/02/2020 17:47

Harry came across really well, I thought. Evan, not so much.

As an aside, it's a long time since I've heard Shon Faye mentioned, has Shon retired from social media?

motorcyclenumptiness · 14/02/2020 17:50

Davis's clear bias and garbled understanding of the issue is toe-curling. I'm embarrassed for him.

ThePurported · 14/02/2020 17:56

Likewise he implied that Harry was obsessively focused on a niche area totally unrelated to Harry’s life- as if didn’t affect at least 51% of the population. Which is likely to include members of Harry’s family, his friends, colleagues 🙄🙄. Can’t you imagine how this could affect you or anyone you know, Evan?!!

Yeah, I'm sure he didn't mean it to come across that way, but Evan sounded like he couldn't fathom why a man like Harry would be interested in women's rights.

Did his researcher suggest bringing up Harrop? As a practical joke?

BeaStoic · 14/02/2020 17:59

First I've heard about this case and I've just listened to the interview. Harry came across very well and it could have been a good interview if the presenter had not acted as though Harry had lost the case.

Honestly, I take my hat off to those of you who have been at the forefront of this shit for years.