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You could go to prison for being disrespectful - BBC tells children

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SorryAuntLydia Tue 10-Sep-19 09:42:19

The BBC is teaching primary school children that ‘People can go to prison if it’s shown that they are being disrespectful or hateful because of a difference that that person perceives.’
In other words, wrong-think makes you a criminal.

I find this really sinister, not least as it is stated immediately after a statement about people saying horrible things about transgender people. It’s pretty clear that children watching are supposed to make the link that questioning transgenderism is a criminal offence and will put you in jail.

It’s at 1 minute 55 s in this film Respect film

I know there are threads discussing other films in this series but think it’s important to highlight this issue separately.

I’m appalled by this and will be complaining to the BBC but expect that as an individual I’ll be ignored as a bigot.
I’m hoping some of my more learned sisters can advise on if there is a more powerful group response we could make about all the ill-informed BBC RSE films.

2BthatUnnoticed Tue 10-Sep-19 09:49:54

Yes that messaging really is quite alarming. I think it’s good that BBC has a high trans workforce, but I don’t think it should be allowed to affect impartiality.

ScrimshawTheSecond Tue 10-Sep-19 10:00:24

Absolutely fucking shocking.

Is nobody is explaining the actual law on the matter? Nor that we do have some rights regarding freedom of belief and speech?

I will also make a complaint.

SorryAuntLydia Tue 10-Sep-19 10:03:41

Great ScrimshawTheSecond let’s see what they have to say for themselves.

LangCleg Tue 10-Sep-19 10:04:46

What the actual fucking fuck?

Complaining. Right now.

SorryAuntLydia Tue 10-Sep-19 10:06:44

OK I’ll bite 2BthatUnnoticed
Why do you think ‘it’s good that BBC has a high trans workforce’?

SorryAuntLydia Tue 10-Sep-19 10:08:35

Thanks LangCleg

ScrimshawTheSecond Tue 10-Sep-19 10:17:41

The text of my complaint:

In the above clip at 1.55, the teacher says: ‘People can go to prison if it’s shown that they are being disrespectful or hateful because of a difference that that person perceives.’

This is a gross misrepresentation of hate crime. It's disregarding the complexity and context of hate crime legislation and implying that if someone thinks in the wrong way - by being 'hateful' - they could go to prison. Teachers and broadcasters have a responsibility to teach the law accurately; this has to include awareness of and respect for our civil liberties.

There is no mention of the mechanisms involved in 'hate crime', that hate crime is only used in relation to an actual crime being committed. There is no mention of freedom of speech, belief or expression. This risks children being led to believe that we have crimes of thought in this country and can be punished for how we feel.

It is essential that children are taught about our rights and responsibilities accurately. If the BBC wishes to teach children about the law, the information given must be clear and accurate.

Shethey Tue 10-Sep-19 10:24:03

My daughter came home yesterday and tied herself up in knots trying to talk about a fellow pupil (who’s girl name she knows) and the fact that they have just adopted a boy’s name and are wearing a binder at school (weeps!) She kept stuttering and correcting herself and I had to stop her and say ‘you know that she is a female who wants to present to the world as a boy. You can be kind and live and let live when you are with them and you can call them what they want to be called to make them feel comfortable BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DENY WHAT YOU KNOW IS TRUE and share their belief that they have become the opposite sex to what they were born. And I said she can call them what she knows they are when we’re talking about them at home because it’s the truth. I hated having this conversation because my DD is lovely and kind and doesn’t want to fuck up and she is totally confused and worried about it all because she doesn’t want to do or say the ‘wrong’ thing and get in trouble. So it’s all working nicely. The threats. The stress. The indoctrination. And the BBC is backing it up with this carefully positioned piece. Nice. Oh and it’s taken me ages to write and edit this short paragraph so that it hopefully won’t get deleted because I have to play these games too.

Meanwhile I am having to play other games with DS who is 14 and who is absolutely outraged at all this stuff. Fortunately they’ve had robust discussions in class particularly when the teacher was trying to put forward the ‘female penis’ theory. I am having to subtly tell him to mind his speech as, although what he is saying is true and his belief, in this climate he could be labelled a bigot. This in turn makes me feel like a hypocrite because I’m effectively trying to ask him to ‘quieten’ his thoughts. It’s a mess.

StealthChocolateHoarder Tue 10-Sep-19 11:01:40


StealthChocolateHoarder Tue 10-Sep-19 11:04:10

And quite when are people going to be going to jail for misogynistic comments?

endofthelinefinally Tue 10-Sep-19 11:05:47

I recently had lunch with a lovely intelligent young person who is about to go to Brighton university. They are completely brainwashed by all this. I find this so sad and very worrying. I gave them some suggestions to research, but I don't want to alienate them by having an argument. I hope they will keep in touch and not be isolated from their friends who don't agree with the trans doctrine.

ScrimshawTheSecond Tue 10-Sep-19 11:15:35

when are people going to be going to jail for misogynistic comments?

Misogyny is outwith hate crime legislation. All of the other protected characteristics count, but not hatred of women. That's tickety boo.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g Tue 10-Sep-19 11:27:40

Can't help feeling that when hate crimes legislation/policing gets discussed, there's probably a short chat along these lines:

A: OK, we've covered all the other protected characteristics, that just leaves sex. So presumably we're now going to add misogyny to the list, and to even things out I suppose we should put misandry on there too, although I could see that causing a lot of problems with mens' rights activist bringing vexatious claims.

B: Are you joking? The prisons and probation service would collapse under the strain if we add misogyny. No, best just to pretend we forgot about sex. We've got gender in there, after all, and that's the same thing these days. Next item on the agenda ...

ArnoldWhatshisknickers Tue 10-Sep-19 11:28:20

Misogyny is outwith hate crime legislation.

Which is itself a tacit acknowledgement of just how common it is. The authorities dare not add it lest the whole court, prison, probation system collapse under the shear number of offenses.

I'm not really a fan of hate crime legislation as it stands. I'd rather see prejudice against a group taken into account as an aggravating factor in sentencing and widening the concept so it includes all forms of group prejudice, not just protected characteristics but prejudice against people because of their music tastes, hobbies, the football team they support.

As for the BBC and their 'disrespectful', well I find it disrespectful to women, science, common sense and reality to pretend human beings can change sex so perhaps they should report themselves to the police.

Michelleoftheresistance Tue 10-Sep-19 11:30:32

You could argue that misogyny is rapidly becoming a protected characteristic.

The BBC needs its licence fee ripping away, and people can pay for the propaganda if they want it. In the meantime, we're going to have to teach our kids about the Tudor 'One True Faith' reign of terror when people were forced to swear to beliefs they didn't hold to escape state punishment, about Communist Russia and the Iron Curtain, about how the Native Americans and Aboriginal people (and the Welsh and Scots) were controlled by hostile colonisers by removing their language, customs, spaces and children removed from parents to be punished and indoctrinated out of their home culture into RightThink (and the massive legacy of harm that's left behind) and a lot about George Orwell. In the same way we teach them that advertising is manipulative and should not be trusted and believed.

'Some people believe....'

Michelleoftheresistance Tue 10-Sep-19 11:31:23

Oh and North Korea. I forgot North Korea.

littlbrowndog Tue 10-Sep-19 11:33:30

Exactly the bbc should hand themselves in to the police for being liars and disrespectful to women and girls

CaptainKirksSpookyghost Tue 10-Sep-19 11:34:27

I can't see the problem, The BBC is doing nothing that other countries that had a cult of personality built around a person / group haven't done

Standard social engineering.

littlbrowndog Tue 10-Sep-19 11:35:29

And when children are being forced to lie about what their eyes can see and accept that human beings can change sex

NotBadConsidering Tue 10-Sep-19 11:40:12

The BBC TV license will need include special TVs called Telescreens that serve as a listening device also. The mornings will consist of the National Anthem being broadcast once again. There may be a new language developed to make ideas more easy to accept.

Birdsfoottrefoil Tue 10-Sep-19 11:46:49

But is it not ultimately self defeating as far as TWAW is concerned? If ‘woman’ as a word means nothing then TWAW means nothing, he/she/they means nothing. The power goes. All that is left is the removal of protections for actual women and children.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly Tue 10-Sep-19 11:50:37

jesus. complaint submitted. fucking bbc

Birdsfoottrefoil Tue 10-Sep-19 11:50:42

Indeed, ’transideology’ is just a temporary phase, a mechanism by which the subjugation of women is achieved.

BigFatLiar Tue 10-Sep-19 12:01:04

Misogyny is outwith hate crime legislation.

And fortunately for Mumsnet so is misandry

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