You could go to prison for being disrespectful - BBC tells children

[SorryAuntLydia]

The BBC is teaching primary school children that ‘People can go to prison if it’s shown that they are being disrespectful or hateful because of a difference that that person perceives.’
In other words, wrong-think makes you a criminal.

I find this really sinister, not least as it is stated immediately after a statement about people saying horrible things about transgender people. It’s pretty clear that children watching are supposed to make the link that questioning transgenderism is a criminal offence and will put you in jail.

It’s at 1 minute 55 s in this film Respect film

I know there are threads discussing other films in this series but think it’s important to highlight this issue separately.

I’m appalled by this and will be complaining to the BBC but expect that as an individual I’ll be ignored as a bigot.
I’m hoping some of my more learned sisters can advise on if there is a more powerful group response we could make about all the ill-informed BBC RSE films.

Arnold, I'm with you on hate crime. Highly dubious lawmaking, and not something I support. Precisely because it lends itself to misuse as laid out very clearly in the BBC clip. 'You can go to prison for being hateful'.

Michelleoftheresistance, thanks, that is a useful list. Planning homework on this, and the subject of civil disobedience, too.

I’m more bothered by the earlier bit where the woman says you need to respect yourself by staying healthy and safe. Like all kids have control over that. Smacks of victim blaming.

Fucking hell! What on earth?

How to complain is here-www.bbc.co.uk/faqs/comment_appreciation

Is anyone talking about this on social media?

I am so sad how consistently shit the BBC can be, when they can also be such a force for good. Why do they have such a misogyny and wokeness problem?

Please take a look at Section 127

wiki.openrightsgroup.org/wiki/Communications_Act_2003/Section_127

This is happening. It's happening already and people are trying to fight it, myself included

Placemarking as am at after school club. Currently composing complaint in my head to spew down on the computer later.

Thanks for highlighting.

And fortunately for Mumsnet so is misandry

Stating the truth about which sex is responsible for 100% of rapes, 90+% of sexual assaults, 90+% of murders, and 90+% of violent assaults isn't misandry nor a hate crime, it's stating the truth.

Yes that messaging really is quite alarming. I think it’s good that BBC has a high trans workforce, but I don’t think it should be allowed to affect impartiality.

This, with bells on. They need to be seriously called out on it.

Complained.
The teacher cheerily telling the kids that people can go to prison for being 'disrespectful'. Absolutely chilling, like watching an old propaganda film.

"So children, if you hear or see anyone being disrespectful, even if it is your mum or dad or brother or friend, you must remember you should report them..."

"Fortunately they’ve had robust discussions in class particularly when the teacher was trying to put forward the ‘female penis’ theory."

WTAF?

I would like to think I would have had the balls to tell any teacher to fuck off if they had tried teaching that in a class I was in. That is insane level of indoctrination. That is most likely not even on any curriculum, must have come straight from the teacher.

Telling children it’s wrong to say hateful things about trans people isn’t “impartial “ enough?
Wtf. Sorry no.

Being disrespectful? But to a child that could also be interpreted as saying no to adults, any adults around them. So the NSPCC teach children it isn’t abuse if they don’t object and the BBC pitch in with ‘you can go to prison for being disrespectful’. Pop Harriet Harman in as speaker and PIE would be (are?) laughing all the way.
I’m very concerned about the uptake of queer theory across society, it feels like we are being pushed into some really dodgy times.

Being disrespectful? But to a child that could also be interpreted as saying no to adults, any adults around them. So the NSPCC teach children it isn’t abuse if they don’t object and the BBC pitch in with ‘you can go to prison for being disrespectful’. Pop Harriet Harman in as speaker and PIE would be (are?) laughing all the way

Uuf, I hadn't thought of that.

It is abhorent that the BBC, a publicly funded organisation, is teaching wrong law.

Wtf? Telling kids that they could go to prison for speaking out?
Disgusting

Coyoacan, it’s a sobering thought isn’t it. If children confuse disrespect with disobeying, it becomes a free ride for all sorts. The BBC need to butt out of social reform and do what license payers fund them for: entertainment (which is pretty dire these days anyway. As soon as we’re no longer tied to CBBC I’m out).

I'm not really a fan of hate crime legislation as it stands. I'd rather see prejudice against a group taken into account as an aggravating factor in sentencing and widening the concept so it includes all forms of group prejudice, not just protected characteristics but prejudice against people because of their music tastes, hobbies, the football team they support.

Yes. This is another of those things where people who made arguments against the introduction of hate crime legislation years ago were dismissed as conservative worrywarts or it was even implied they were racist/homophobic and just didn't care about crimes against disadvantaged groups.

In hindsight a lot of it seems to have been giving the state the power to define who counts as disadvantaged or a victim of hate, and by extension who does not count.

Telling children it’s wrong to say hateful things about trans people isn’t “impartial “ enough?
Wtf. Sorry no.

What's that up above, flying at the speed of light? Oh, it must be The Point.

This from the beeb on 'hate crime' today.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49509301

Quick update my complaint has been ‘referred to the relevant people’ but may ‘take a little longer’ before I get a reply...
So I will be patient I guess. In the meantime the film is still freely available, unchanged, promoted for use with children.

Decades ago, children in some schools were told it was a mortal sin to be disrespectful to adults. Guess who got to define 'disrespectful'?

I'd hoped we'd moved on from terrifying children like this.

I think it’s not a good thing the BBC has a high trans workforce - they only allow debate if its absolutely obvious the public will notice that they don’t , any trans stuff is at 8 55 on the Today programme so they limit the time . If Any Questions had a trans question, I d bet a lot of money that they wouldn’t allow any callers to discuss it on Any Answers. They hardly interrogate transwomen - Evan Davies let McKinnon roll him over for a jolly good tickle . It’s shameful how biased they are .

Same, SorryAuntLydia. I wonder if they just do a batch reply when lots of complaints on same subject?

yeah, I've had that reply too

and in the meantime that fucking film is still there

Oh well that’s interesting. The film has now been slightly edited to remove the word ‘disrespectful’ so she now says: ‘People can go to prison if it’s shown that they are being hateful because of a difference that that person perceives.’ (Which I still think is heavy-handed in the context of educating children.)
But in the meantime, the BBC has replied to me apologising for not being able to respond to my complaint within its set timelines.
Interested to get their response and see why they’ve had time to edit the film but not respond to me. I wonder whether I will get an acknowledgement and apology or even thanks for pointing out their error? And I’m also keen to understand the thinking behind threatening children with prison as an educational tool. Isn’t that what totalitarian regimes do?

Michelleoftheresistance , you forgot the Chinese Cultural Revolution and the 'public confessions'... and also, if anyone is historically minded, read the novel Q (www.<a class="break-all" href="https://amazon.co.uk/Q-Luther-Blissett/dp/0099439832/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=q&qid=1571040192&sr=8-3%29&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-womens-rights-3688321-You-could-go-to-prison-for-being-disrespectful-BBC-tells-children" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">amazon.co.uk/Q-Luther-Blissett/dp/0099439832/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=q&qid=1571040192&sr=8-3) for some insight on 100s of years of thought control=violence in Europe