Stephen Whittle accusing GC feminists of being funded by the 'evangelical right wing'

[MrsSnippyPants]

Enlightening thread from Sarah Stuart tonight.....
twitter.com/sarahstuartxx/status/1151944001290952704

If they actually get the changes they want for the reasons that are mentioned in that thread, I am genuinely going to legally change gender. It will have a huge impact on my private pension and I will be so much better off in retirement.

I was saying exactly the same thing to my OH tonight Endofthedays!

Good thread nothing new re the supposed funding.

Clarke butted in to state that the Karen White case was indicative of the wider problem of mental health in womens' prisons, and that risk assessments often aren't undertaken.

Keep hearing this mental health trope about men who rape/assault/want to assault women. People having been using the excuse for Jonathan Yaniv too. Just another way to let predators off the hook.

So it's women's fault that we didn't show up to meetings about the 2004 GRA?

The same GRA that transactivists like Whittle have boasted they got passed into law via stealth and backroom lobbying without the public having much knowledge of it.

Yeh yeh yeh we get it Stephen, you came on MN waffling your pseudo intellectual waffle and making your misogynistic little jokes and thought we'd all coo over you, and when it didn't go as you hoped you got the hump and now your tragically frail sense of self can only be restored by smearing us and telling outright lies.

Well everyone here remembers very clearly that you said it was fine for girls as young as 11 to share mixed sex sleeping arrangements without parental knowledge because Girl Guide leaders should be carrying condoms and emergency contraception.

So Stephen, you can go fuck yourself. HTH.

Lots of 'thoughts', 'thinks', and 'feelings' for a Human Rights Lawyers Ass.

Hmm.

Keep hearing this mental health trope about men who rape/assault/want to assault women. People having been using the excuse for Jonathan Yaniv too. Just another way to let predators off the hook.

I didn't read it that way at all. I think it means that when they assess the risk of transferring a prisoner like that, it's a type of mental health assessment, and falls in with all kinds of other mental health assessments being done for different reasons. And many of them aren't done properly because of lack of resources, not just these kinds of cases.

It sounds like that could easily be true from my perspective.

Nah. It's a trope. It's white men are mentally ill so deserve compassion but everyone else is just evil thing that happens every time there is a school shooting or the like.

Whittle is dangerous.

And should be referred to as female. Use correct pronouns.

Her internalised misogyny is so strong that she seems to believe that women choose to be female, unlike 'him' who sensibly identified out of this shithole.

We see you.

Oh do fuck off Stephen.
Nice try.

Stephen Whittle is talking out of Stephen Whittle's arse and Stephen Whittle can take Stephen Whittle's musings and proceed to fuck the fuck off to the far side of fuck and then fuck off some more.

Her internalised misogyny is so strong that she seems to believe that women choose to be female, unlike 'him' who sensibly identified out of this shithole.

With bells on.

I’m not even gonna read, the idiots keep saying this. I’m an atheist Māori vegan, and voted left all my life. It’s a stupid claim.

Whittle is a deeply unpleasant human being

The feminists who did participate in the original GRA discussions were lied to.

We were told that it would only apply to a cohort of 5000 max.

As a result it would have no impact on the collection of statistical data.

We were told that it would only apply apply to people who were then thought of as transsexuals. It explicitly did not include males who like to present/dress in a stereotypical feminine manner either because they like the aesthetic or because it makes them feel sexy.

We were told that single sex services/spaces could be preserved and that even with a certificate someone could be excluded.

We were told that sports would be exempt, I think at the time every sporting body in the country applied for an exemption.

We were told that GRCS were needed so that a transperson could apply for passports and driver's licences and not risk outing themselves.

We were led to believe that intention to transition meant for males an intention to have their penis removed.

They lied and we were fools to believe them.

Keep hearing this mental health trope about men who rape/assault/want to assault women. People having been using the excuse for Jonathan Yaniv too. Just another way to let predators off the hook.

This attitude drives me up the freaking wall.

My brother in law suffers paranoid and disorganised schizophrenia. He is currently enjoying an indefinite sojourn in Carstairs (Scotland's Broadmoor) due largely to the usual catalogue of systemic failures in the mental health system. He is a dangerous man. Not because he is a bad person but because when the delusions take over he perceives threats that simply do not exist and responds to them flight or fight style.

He has NEVER sexually assaulted anyone.

Sex offenders do not offend sexually because of mental illness. They may happen to also be mentally ill but that would be incidental, not the cause of their sex offending.

It would never occur to my brother in law to rape someone, even in the worst throws of delusion, because he isn't a rapist.

Well everyone here remembers very clearly that you said it was fine for girls as young as 11 to share mixed sex sleeping arrangements without parental knowledge because Girl Guide leaders should be carrying condoms and emergency contraception.

Yes, Stephen, yes we do.

For anyone who missed it, this thread is very revealing.

Stephen did, indeed, suggest that the solution to mixed sex overnight accommodation involving young teens was to supply guide leaders with stocks of emergency contraception.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3212371-Where-are-all-the-trans-men-An-Answer

dolorsit that is so telling. And is why it is so important now not to concede anything at all.

I am really starting to want gender recognised everywhere, but as a separate category to sex - not legally binding, with a gender free or no gender option, so that when the other demands keep coming in, they are seen as the ridiculous things that they are.

Badly worded, I hope it is clear what I mean? Almost like a favourite colour or happiest memory category- completely arbitrary and unnecessary for many, but somewhere to write it down for those who need to.

GC feminists and right wing evangelical Christians have sooo much common ground. It's makes perfect sense 🙄

Here is a helpful Venn diagram for Stephen and all the other conspiracy theorists among extremist genderists.

It is not rocket science.

*The feminists who did participate in the original GRA discussions were lied to.

We were told that it would only apply to a cohort of 5000 max.

As a result it would have no impact on the collection of statistical data.

We were told that it would only apply apply to people who were then thought of as transsexuals. It explicitly did not include males who like to present/dress in a stereotypical feminine manner either because they like the aesthetic or because it makes them feel sexy.

We were told that single sex services/spaces could be preserved and that even with a certificate someone could be excluded.

We were told that sports would be exempt, I think at the time every sporting body in the country applied for an exemption.

We were told that GRCS were needed so that a transperson could apply for passports and driver's licences and not risk outing themselves.

We were led to believe that intention to transition meant for males an intention to have their penis removed.

They lied and we were fools to believe them.*

The 2004 GRA was also debated and put into law in the days before social media. The reason there's been so much pushback this time round is because women are aware of what is happening and the implications of it. We see what happens when self-id is implemented in other countries without thought to the consequences for women: you get paedophiles like Jonathan Yaniv dragging bewildered small businesswomen in front of a kangaroo court for not wanting to wax his lady balls. We can see, track and archive the boundaries being erased and safeguarding being ignored left, right and centre. And we've been able to co-ordinate our resistance to it.

We didn't make a fuss in 2004 because we were lied to, and the lies were barely reported and commented on.

Whittle is dangerous.

And should be referred to as female. Use correct pronouns.

Her internalised misogyny is so strong that she seems to believe that women choose to be female, unlike 'him' who sensibly identified out of this shithole.

We didn't make a fuss in 2004 because we were lied to, and the lies were barely reported and commented on.

Further to this, all parliamentary business is online now so it can be monitored for future debates, committee sessions, etc and then followed live via the parliamentary TV channel.

Gone are the days when others can sneak their business in under the public radar.

Women are watching!

dolorsit
Spot on