US: Female student expelled for kneeing boy in the groin while in girls' bathroom

[StopThePlanet]

• Boys attempt to invade girls bathroom as a protest against TM in their bathroom taking selfies

• Random girl not involved in protest or support of TM

• Girl feels trapped in girls' bathroom by boys and knees boy in groin

• Boys reprimanded, not suspended or expelled and get to attend prom

• Girl is expelled for violence and misses prom

• No adult witnesses to knee to groin

kutv.com/news/nation-world/student-expelled-for-bathroom-incident

Juxtaposed against:

• 10yr old girl is bullied by one 12yr old boy plus five other boys

• The six boys beat the crap out of the girl

• Teacher says "I can't believe it if I did not see it"

• Boys receive six days of suspension

• After returning from suspension one of the boys kicked a ball at the girl, striking her in the face

• School principal recommends girl change schools

www.google.com/amp/s/www.nwfdailynews.com/news/20190413/police-4th-grade-girl-beaten-by-6-boys-at-lakeland-school%3ftemplate=ampart

Juxtaposed against:

• 11yr old black boy refuses to say pledge of allegiance

• Substitute teacher reprimanded him (dumbass wasn't aware of Supreme Court ruling in 1943 that saluting the flag and saying the pledge aren't compulsory)

• Verbal argument ensues, no violence

• Kid is arrested for "becoming disruptive and refusing to follow repeated instructions by school staff and law enforcement."

www.local10.com/news/florida/florida-sixth-grader-arrested-after-dispute-over-pledge-of-allegiance

Well isn't this just precious? Uh huh keep telling me how females are treated as equals oh yeah and that all races are treated equally here in the US.

With liberty and justice for all... unless you are female or a racial minority. Move along, nothing to see here.

If a group of boys held my daughter hostage in the toilets they'd be lucky to be able to walk in to school the next day. She'd have been terrified and they've just told her next time it happens she should take it.

Following your links and I read about this woman and her partner who raped and dismembered a teenage girl. Full beard for a woman, dont you think?

kutv.com/news/nation-world/man-could-get-death-in-teens-rape-murder-dismemberment-03-15-2019?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=internal

Jesus Christ that last link.

What a horrific story. Poor poor Grace. Just awful, she was failed in so many ways in her short life.

She has the double whammy od being female and a foster child. We've seen from Rotherham , Saville etc that these girls are basically seen as expendable.

The catalogue of misery and failure by adults is just appalling.

However I do think , it might indeed just be a full beard for a woman

I'm a bit conflicted on this if I'm honest.

My first response was to feel sympathy to the girl who obviously felt her privacy had been invaded. But then I reflected that the boys were basically staging a GC protest for exactly the same reason (invasion of privacy) in a manner not dissimilar to the women who've invaded men's spaces to make the same point - e.g. man friday.

I think I'd have condemned anybody who had assaulted the women involved in man friday and I also think that we can't condemn TW in women's spaces whilst expecting men to be ok with TM in their spaces.

So I guess it ultimately comes down to whether they were actually harassing her or whether she was being aggressive about them being in a female space, which they were only doing to make a point.

Yes poor Grace, what a tragic and short life.

The fact that these people worked in children's services, fostered children (others that were abused apparently), and adopted children is insane to me.

The catalogue of failure for Grace is beyond belief. Sara Packer's husband was jailed for abusing Grace. From a news website

Sara Packer was suspended from her job as a case supervisor with the Northampton County Child, Youth and Family Office in January of 2010. She was then fired from the job in April, 2010. Around the same time a criminal case was opened against David Packer, Sara's husband at the time. David Packer later pleaded guilty to sexually abusing Grace when she was 9 as well as another foster child

Yet Grace and her little brother were returned to Packer.

That Grace story is horrific.

I've just read the article properly and it seems the boys were blocking her exit. This is undoubtedly dickish behaviour and I can see why the girl would have felt intimidated, but I feel both parties were in the wrong tbh.

Creating human barriers seems to be a common form of protest as seen by the recent environmental protesters blocking roads (like many before them) and also the mob of feminists in the now notorious video who were blocking young men from entering the Warren Farrell lecture on male suicide and required police intervention. Also the woke left leaning protesters who regularly try and physically block access to right wing speakers' events like Milo Yiannopoulos etc.

I doubt these boys went in there with the intention of committing gang rape or an assault etc, and were probably trying to prove a GC point, albeit probably in a rowdy way. They were probably being intimidating but on the other hand the young man who was assaulted may be unable to have children depending on the severity of the injury so I can't condone the actions of either party. I think that if somebody had kicked one of the feminists blocking access to the Warren Farrell protest (who outnumbered the men 20 to 1 and were being very aggressive) and she had potentially become infertile I'd have seen this as excessive force, so I'm on the fence with this one.

BelgianBun89

You seem to have missed the point a bit about Man Friday. The whole point about women in men's spaces is that they are not a threat to the men in the same way as men in women's spaces threaten the women. Yes, the men's privacy is compromised, but there is no threat to their safety.

A female student has reportedly been expelled from her high school after she kneed a boy in the groin while he was part of a group blocking her from leaving the girls' bathroom.

The female student was blocked from leaving and felt threatened.

She felt she was in danger. How can anyone say she was wrong to do whatever she felt she had to do to get out?

I think the main difference between girls/women protesting, and the boys barricading a girls’ changing room is the same old, same old: girls and women are trained to see boys and men as a threat

Because they are.

98% of sexual violence is perpetrated by boys/men. I don’t know the stats for non-sexual violence, but isn’t it around 75% of violent crime committed by men ?

Women do not constitute anywhere near the same threat to men.

It’s not a level playing field.

It is quite obvious to me as a man, that certain persons - we know who they are, are getting more bold with these ridiculous laws and using them to their advantage to harrass/stalk/abuse girls in women only spaces.
The question is, how can we get this to stop?

Yes, men are much more of a threat, but this was just a bunch of college kids making a point about girls entering their toilets. It's very unlikely they were an organised ring of sex offenders or were there for any other reason than to prove the above point. Statistically, the chances of them being a danger are extremely low.

I truly get both sides but would it for example have been acceptable for me to assault a black lives matter protestor, potentially causing GBH, who was irate and refused to stand aside and let me past? Given that POC are over represented in crime stats and seem to be largely responsible for the gang violence culture of the past few decades embodied by gangsta rap (and more recently drill music) and urban knife crime etc - watch some of the 'UK drill' videos on YouTube (many have been banned, but the majority that remain feature youths in balaclavas hiding their identity so they can talk about stabbing/shooting each other without it being used as evidence should they appear in court).

I feel that if we're going to use class analysis as an excuse for violence we can't just single out certain classes and let others off.

Are you a man, Belgian?

It is quite obvious to me as a man, that certain persons - we know who they are, are getting more bold with these ridiculous laws and using them to their advantage to harrass/stalk/abuse girls in women only spaces.
The question is, how can we get this to stop?

This is probably the most pressing feminist question of our time (and closely related to the purpose of the above boys protest).

No, I'm a mother of three boys, Crone.

Ok, I need to hit the sack as I've got an early start tomorrow. Just so I'm not seen as plopping an opinion and running off!

@BelgianBun89

I mostly agree with your post - I was not supporting violence via bullet points. My point was the inbalance of treatment of kids in the US school system. I.e. disciplinary actions are extreme in some cases while terribly lax in others.

I read several versions of the Female student expelled for kneeing boy in the groin story from varying media outlets attempting to read through the lines and be objective about each perspective. Reading the different versions of the story I came away with the impression that the boys were blocking the doorway preventing her from leaving the bathroom. In the US that is called false imprisonment and is loosely defined as: not requiring force or intimidation, confining or detaining another person against their will and without any legal justification.

The boys had every right to protest, I 100% support their right to do so and I agree they deserve dignity and privacy as well as the girls. The selfie taking in the boys bathroom by the trans student is bizarre an inappropriate behaviour. But, I do not support anyone in the false imprisonment of another (if they didn't great, if they did then they should receive guidance on how to peacefully protest without breaking standing laws - not be arrested or anything; they should be given the opportunity to learn about their rights in regards to protesting).

From what I've read no one detained or confined anyone on Man Friday (I don't know much about UK law and do not know if you have a similar law for false imprisonment) and from what I understand no one entered men's changing rooms only the bath (I am happy to be corrected if I'm wrong) whereas boys invading a girls bathroom allegedly detaining a girl is possibly false imprisonment by US law so I think it is a poor comparison. Also, you are comparing an adult protest in the UK (hopefully aware of protest rights) to a kid protest in the US (except for knowing they can protest they probably have no idea about the rules of peaceful legal protests).

Furthermore, the girl was expelled from school in North Pole, Alaska - they have a population of 2,101 and one high school with two campuses, so getting kicked out of school for kneeing a boy in the groin seems quite excessive (and possibly created a difficult path to high school completion for her). A week's worth of off-campus suspension seems more appropriate if it is found that she wasn't detained. If she was detained what kind of message does this tell her and other girls (and boys or trans) about feeling like they have a right to escape unlawful confinement by other students at school, they get expelled? Are they (kids) allowed to have any boundaries or to assert said boundaries? It seems that the Dept of Education is stripping all children of their ability to assert boundaries... adding more challenges to sexual assault report enforcement while opening single-sex spaces to everyone (in violation of current guidance on Title IX). This situation came about because boys were pissed (rightfully so) that a transboy was taking selfies in the bathroom, the trans kid should be reprimanded (as should any kid it's super inappropriate). Adults that take selfies in open-plan public restrooms are fucking morons regardless of their sex.

High School is a tough time for girls and boys; while as adults we may or may not feel threatened by a similar situation we may feel very different if we were back in our teenage skin.

The reason I thought you might be a man was because of this.
Yes, men are much more of a threat, but this was just a bunch of college kids making a point about girls entering their toilets. It's very unlikely they were an organised ring of sex offenders or were there for any other reason than to prove the above point. Statistically, the chances of them being a danger are extremely low.

Think back to when you were in school. If you were in the girls' toilets and a few boys stopped you from leaving, would you just have a laugh with them because they're harmless and not 'an organised ring of sex offenders', or would you be scared? Even if you were a tough, hard as nails sort of girl who wasn't scared, don't you think some girls might be?

I thought you were a man because you didn't seem to understand the implied violence underlying the boys' behaviour in blocking the exit so that the girl couldn't leave, and the fear she was likely to experience as a result. They didn't have to do this to make a protest - they could have just peacefully entered the space.

StopThePlanet

Apologies, if I came across a bit aggressive in my above posts.

I can understand why the girl would have felt intimidated and the boys were certainly out of order. However, I do also think that the perception of danger has to actually have a reasonable reflection of the reality of the situation to justify a violent response. The law certainly takes into account perceived intention of the attacker (i.e. if you shoot a burglar who you are convinced was about to assault you) but on the other hand you'd probably not get away with shooting a teenage male who was delivering leaflets, no matter how convinced you were that he was coming into your garden to assault you.

The girl likely put herself in more danger by hitting a male who could have seriously injured her with one angry punch than had she just locked herself in a cubicle and phoned somebody or waited it out (I doubt they'd have stayed there for a lengthy period of time after making their point).

OldCrone

Growing up with boisterous older brothers I was likely less intimidated than many girls - in fact, I'm a bit ashamed at the number of boys I slapped round the face at school tbh and I'm lucky I was never hit back (I speculate that there was a much more old fashioned and likely sexist attitude in my youth of 'boys can't hit girls' and I probably exploited this a little).

Men undoubtedly pose a much greater risk to us than the reverse, but I sometimes think that too many women assume there's a rapist waiting around every corner and this isn't helped by certain dialogues - not we women shouldn't be sensible with taking risks (although I believe some probably see this as victim blaming rather than self preservation/common sense).

not that we women I meant.

But how is holding a girl against her will in the girls toilet a GC protest?
It fucking isn't,they didn't have the balls to properly protest what and whom they opposed (due to more severe repercussions I bet) so they picked on the easy prey...and the college's reaction it does show she was easy prey indeed. She was the one punished.

I've been intimidated,threatened and got into fights with boys. I mostly fought back, and took the punishments on the chin,because girls don't act like that. It ended with 6 13-14 year old boys sitting on my arms and legs preventing me to move.. it didn't stop there but I'll spare you the details. Guess who got blamed? Who got referee to as a "bitch in heat"?

Just because they're "boys" doesn't make them harmless or less dangerous if that's how they set to behave. And why wouldn't they if there's fuck all repercussions?

Creating human barriers seems to be a common form of protest as seen by the recent environmental protesters blocking roads (like many before them)

Okay so, again I don't know UK law on peaceful protesting. I do know a little about US law on protesting and I know that peaceful protesting requires that you do not commit acts of civil disobedience i.e. don't break standing laws during protesting. Comparing breaking through a human barrier to allegedly attempting to escape confinement is a fallacy.

Protesters choosing to block the only exit from a confined space are violating the confined individual's rights by confining them or detaining them without legal cause. As stated in my previous post, false imprisonment does not require that the confined individual is intimidated or threatened just that they are confined without their consent.

there is a world of difference between a young woman being blockaded IN the bathroom by a group of lads and protesters blockimg the way TO something

Im struggling to see why anyone thinks its similar

If god forbid my lads decided that that would be a suitable thing to to do it would serve them right if they got a kick in the balls...that would be the least of their problems should i find out what they had done