US: Female student expelled for kneeing boy in the groin while in girls' bathroom

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• Boys attempt to invade girls bathroom as a protest against TM in their bathroom taking selfies

• Random girl not involved in protest or support of TM

• Girl feels trapped in girls' bathroom by boys and knees boy in groin

• Boys reprimanded, not suspended or expelled and get to attend prom

• Girl is expelled for violence and misses prom

• No adult witnesses to knee to groin

kutv.com/news/nation-world/student-expelled-for-bathroom-incident

Juxtaposed against:

• 10yr old girl is bullied by one 12yr old boy plus five other boys

• The six boys beat the crap out of the girl

• Teacher says "I can't believe it if I did not see it"

• Boys receive six days of suspension

• After returning from suspension one of the boys kicked a ball at the girl, striking her in the face

• School principal recommends girl change schools

www.google.com/amp/s/www.nwfdailynews.com/news/20190413/police-4th-grade-girl-beaten-by-6-boys-at-lakeland-school%3ftemplate=ampart

Juxtaposed against:

• 11yr old black boy refuses to say pledge of allegiance

• Substitute teacher reprimanded him (dumbass wasn't aware of Supreme Court ruling in 1943 that saluting the flag and saying the pledge aren't compulsory)

• Verbal argument ensues, no violence

• Kid is arrested for "becoming disruptive and refusing to follow repeated instructions by school staff and law enforcement."

www.local10.com/news/florida/florida-sixth-grader-arrested-after-dispute-over-pledge-of-allegiance

Well isn't this just precious? Uh huh keep telling me how females are treated as equals oh yeah and that all races are treated equally here in the US.

With liberty and justice for all... unless you are female or a racial minority. Move along, nothing to see here.

It's unacceptable behaviour but it's very common and seemingly most utilised by the left (well, 'antifa', 'sjw', 'woke' types rather than traditional lefties) going by the significant amount on videos on social media. It often seems to be an attempt to shutdown or no platform perceived 'hate speech', seemingly common with 3rd wave feminists initially and now seemingly with the trans lobby.

It's unacceptable but we can't ignore when feminists do it and then condemn young men for doing it if we are to be fair. And if anybody thinks that the former aren't at times threatening I would urge you to watch the videos of the Warren Farrell protest on YouTube. I would have feared for the safety of my sons in that situation if the police weren't present (the protesters were even getting in right up in the faces of the police officers and making pig noises while thumbing their noses into snouts).

@BelgianBun89

Hey! I'm pretty hard to offend! Don't worry about it I didn't take anything that you wrote personally. I do appreciate the compassionate thought.

Actually, we have a really insane law called Stand Your Ground... If I think you intend to cause me harm in my garden I lawfully have no responsibility to retreat and can use deadly force in self-defense, and will very likely not face a murder conviction (the law has been updated but I'm not sure of the specifics as I would never need to invoke such a thing). Now I personally would never hurt another person - I would run away but if someone decides in the parking lot at the grocery that I seem scary and I walk a little too close they can do what they basically feel they need to do to 'protect themselves'.

Yay USA! Super duper!

I've read about the 'stand your ground' law and thought it was pretty scary! It conjured images of testosterone fuelled men striding around with concealed guns muttering 'just try it punk' under their breath (I'm only half joking).

How many times have feminists cornered young men into the mens bathroom and not let the young man in question out?

Im going to go with not that often

In my experience being cornered by a group of young men as a lone female doesnt usually end well

just try it punk' under their breath (I'm only half joking

i bet they'd be thinking it in their heads

It often seems to be an attempt to shutdown or no platform perceived 'hate speech', seemingly common with 3rd wave feminists initially and now seemingly with the trans lobby.

For clarity, I'm saying that the attempt to 'shut down hate speech' seems common with then left rather than the 'hate speech' itself. I think that this being co-opted by the TRA lobby is why so many GC feminists now seem to share some views with the right on certain issues - 'enemy of my enemy' etc.

How do we know this girl wasn’t experiencing a visceral “fight” reaction to being trapped? How do we know she isn’t a survivor of sexual abuse? Do we know she hasn’t been held against her will and raped? We don’t. We don’t know why she felt she had to knee a boy in the balls to get out, nor why she felt such a pressing need to get out in the first place.

I can guess though. I can guess that being faced with a group of boys, in toilets you thought were for girls, boys probably laughing, joking, maybe “banter” about teaching everyone a lesson? I’d have fucking shat my pants. Having encountered the outwardly-nice-looking-and-popular boys who act like animals when in a group (see recent cases relating to sportsmen and WhatsApp messages) I would have been desperate to get out.

Yet another reason why mixed-sex toilets are a disaster. No privacy for either sex, no tiny bit of protection for girls. There is no need for protests of this variety if everyone is using the appropriate toilet for their sex.

Blocking anybody in is bound to provoke a response. But in a possibly terrified, cornered teenage girl? I’m not surprised she kicked him in the balls.

The alternative? She was quite happy to be blocked in, until she wasn’t. She was bantering away, to and fro, then they wouldn’t let her past and she kneed a boy in the balls. Just like I imagine most teenage girls have been told to do by someone in their lives, (and knowing someone from Alaska, most likely lots of people in this girl’s life!!), that if some boy gets in your face, you get him where it hurts, ASAP.

I don’t think the boys were right. I don’t think the transboy using the boys bathroom was right. I don’t think the girl was right for resorting to violence.

But my god, I understand why she did.

that if some boy gets in your face, you get him where it hurts

It was knee him in the balls and RUN for me! Dear old dad..

Rufus,

I can be a bit of an argumentative sod, so I'm going to put my hands up now and say I don't want to go down the path of blindly defending these young men just because that's 'the stance I've picked and I don't want to back down'.

My original reaction was partly due to the perceived outrage (maybe a bit strong a word but you get my point) that these boys had entered a women's space, when they were actually doing it with the same sentiments that GC feminist's regularly express on here.

Their actions were boisterous and fairly typical of teenage boys I'm sorry to say, but my main point is that I don't think we should be saying 'good on her for socking it to those beastly boys who dared to enter the women's toilets'. It's an unfortunate situation from both sides.

I also wonder how many girls had ridiculed their initial protests against this to provoke such a strong response (not justifying their behaviour). Outside of GC circles, and seemingly particularly in the US, it is pretty fashionable to be woke and support trans issues as we've seen discussed on here quite a bit recently.

I should say 'fashionable amongst the youth'.

I get claustrophobic and if anyone held me in a bathroom against my will I wouldn’t think twice about kneeing them in the groin, gouging out their eyes or bashing their head repeatedly against a sink until they stopped twitching.

I also wonder how many girls had ridiculed their initial protests against this to provoke such a strong response (not justifying their behaviour).

So why corner a girl that wasn't involved at all?

Possibly all three.

Their actions were boisterous and fairly typical of teenage boys I'm sorry to say,

Boys will be boys.

when they were actually doing it with the same sentiments that GC feminist's regularly express on here.

But women do it too.

I also wonder how many girls had ridiculed their initial protests against this to provoke such a strong response (

She/they made him/them do it. They provoked them...

Anyone call BINGO yet?

Yeah right. Of course you'd gauge out the eyes of a teenage boy who was being a bit of a knob and refusing to move from a doorway, probably to impress his mates. This sounds like my husband's overweight friend who did a couple of years of kung fu a decade ago and loves to wax lyrical about how he's destroy anyone who tried to mug him.

You don’t understand claustrophobia if you don’t understand the consequences of restraining a claustrophobic, and why you absolutely deserve what you get.

But still, boys will be boys, right?

The main reason that boys act like this and girls don't is because they can. They have the physical strength to be unafraid of girls and it likely doesn't help being full of testosterone and not yet having the self restraint/responsibility of an older male. I don't see it as being much more than that tbh.

my main point is that I don't think we should be saying 'good on her for socking it to those beastly boys who dared to enter the women's toilets'.

It wasn't that they 'dared to enter' the toilets, it's that they stopped her from leaving. Imprisoning her in there was an act of violence and she retaliated with violence.

The main reason that boys act like this and girls don't is because they can. They have the physical strength to be unafraid of girls and it likely doesn't help being full of testosterone and not yet having the self restraint/responsibility of an older male.

Which is why they shouldn't be in female spaces, much less imprisoning girls in them. And not all older males have restraint, either.

@BelgianBun89

... testosterone fuelled men striding around with concealed guns muttering 'just try it punk' under their breath (I'm only half joking).

And you'd be only half wrong. It depends on where you go in the state - I live in a pretty woke area very much beach city life but you do encounter people on the regular that conceal carry. If you go into the rural areas mid-state as opposed to the coasts it's all pickup trucks, shotguns, farming life, methamphetamine cooking land, illegal marijuana fields, and moonshiners - if you walk on the wrong land you could disappear very easily. Very Dukes of Hazard in Florida if you get my drift.

From how the versions of the story reads it doesn't sound like the boys intended to do anything to the girl in the bathroom but by blocking the girls exit they did put her at a disadvantage which could be very frightening - regardless of intent. Instead of expelling the girl they should have used it as a lesson for all the kids about what is a peaceful protest and what is not legal when protesting. they could have used that as an opportunity to explain why violence isn't usually the answer, if someone falsely imprisons another violence sometimes can be a necessary recourse.

I've had scary bathroom experiences, locker room experiences, and I once got trapped on an elevator with someone who decided that I was the right person to tell that it was his first day out of prison and that he was in there for multiple rape charges (he had apparently been pulling these antics with random women all day in the courtyard). I escaped unscathed (police were called unbeknownst to me because the attendant saw it go down via security cameras). As he moved on me I pulled out my taser and said "I will shock you until you stop breathing and then I would shock you some more if you don't back off" and sparked the taser for good measure. He backed off and when the elevator door opened with police waiting I was terrified as I thought for sure I would be arrested because I looked like the assailant at that point.

Like I said before I am not a violent person and I will attempt to run from danger but if I am trapped all bets are off. I am one of every three women in the US who has experienced violent sexual assault, I look for the best in others but try to keep a safe distance from unknown men/boys (most teenage boys are much bigger than I am).

So if that girl felt threatened even if the boys had no intentions of intimidating or doing anything to her I believe she had every right to take action to free herself from what may have seemed like a very dangerous situation. Too many girls and women die because they aren't able to get free from confined situations which they may or may not find dangerous at the time.

@BelgianBun89

As I'm sure you are fully aware you have such an important job as a mother of three boys, the world isn't all magic for them either. I get why you are a little defensive on their behalf, you don't want to see them hurt. I've always been very protective of my little brother for the same reasons - I put the fear of death in my brother's abusers and did my best to share how to create boundaries for himself without sharing my own abuse.

NAMALT we know, my brother is a gentle giant as are my DH and my dad - the beauty that lies within their hearts unfortunately does not lie in every man's heart.

So boys need to be taught proper boundaries and how to hold peaceful protests without making girls and women feel threatened.

And holy fuck you guys, welcome to my blog lol. Sometimes I really just can't shut off the words. Me, me, me, me, ME, ME, MEEEEEEEEEE!!! Sorry.

Im struggling to see why anyone thinks its similar

Because some people just have to take the side of boys no matter how obviously wrong they are.

If the boys had blocked her getting into the toilet it would have been rude. Blocking her from getting out however is an act of agression and Alaska is not the most progressive state. I'm confident that self defence would normally be very legal. If you kick a boy in the balls to escape you're probably pretty scared.

If they'd trapped a transgirl in the bathroom for using the girls bathrooms and got kneed in the balls for it would we be having this conversation or would they have been rightfully suspended for terrifying the kid?