Apple's billion dollar investment directed at allowing men into women's bathrooms

[QuietContraryMary]

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" Big businesses helped kill the Texas bathroom bill two years ago, targeting it as discriminatory and unnecessary.

They said the legislation, which would have required Texans to use the restrooms that match their sex at birth, would have hampered efforts to woo new companies to the state and turned off convention planners and sports leagues looking at venues for events.

Now, some companies are doubling down on that commitment, citing diversity and inclusivity as factors in their decisions. Apple made this clear Thursday, when it announced a $1 billion investment in the capital city.

The bathroom bill, or something like it, may be back when state lawmakers meet in 2019. But opponents of these restroom regulations say the business community will again give them the ammunition they need to shoot down such divisive legislation.

[HestiaParthenos]

So apple are pumping money into this? I'm glad I never bought one of their computers.

And they have to massively pump money into this. People don't want it. Convention planners and sports leagues are more likely to want decent, sex-segregated toilets.

Let's be realistic here, there's more profit to be made from ordinary people than from some genderists.

This being pushed by big business might be more of an indication of who is at the top of those businesses.

[TallulahWaitingInTheRain]

Yep, this is definitely a totally normal civil rights movement.

[TallulahWaitingInTheRain]

How marginalised and dispossessed its proponents must be

[TimeLady]

The connection between the trans movement and those working in IT has been pointed out before.

[KittiesInsane]

Why don't they invest in providing separate, mixed-sex, accessible toilets in addition to the single-sex and disabled options?

Then it would be easy to tell the chancers from the respectfulgettingonwiththeirlivesquietly people. They'd be the males who still barge into the Ladies.

[HestiaParthenos]

Then it would be easy to tell the chancers from the respectfulgettingonwiththeirlivesquietly people.

Yes. I believe you answered your own question there.

[Bubonicpanic]

It's become common for big businesses to list a welcoming environment and cultural diversity as necessary characteristics for new investment sites. That’s because companies say this helps them attract the best workers.

So the best workers are women who submit to male domination?

[KindOfAGeek]

Tech is that all boys school full of boys who feel funny when a girl walks in the room, plus throw in the money with a determination to rewrite the world so they can always feel comfortable without stinky girls.

Old article, but useful info:

"The tech industry doesn’t simply tolerate gender discrimination, it’s hardwired to marginalise women, says author Emily Chan"

“Well, Silicon Valley can’t possibly be worse than Wall Street.” Well, it is. The gender imbalance is a lot bigger: the top banks are generally 50/50 when it comes to representation; in Silicon Valley, women hold 25% of jobs."

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/17/sexual-harassment-silicon-valley-emily-chang-brotopia-interview

[Pennydrew142]

Why don't they invest in providing separate, mixed-sex, accessible toilets in addition to the single-sex and disabled options?

My husband is in IT, currently at Sky london. This is what they have done. Most people, men and women, use the separate individual private and safe individual toilets. This wouldn’t work in public restrooms because of the increased risk mixed sex ( unisex ) public toilets pose for women though.

[OVAgroundWOMBlingfree]

Men.
Men.
Men.

[Bowlofbabelfish]

It's become common for big businesses to list a welcoming environment and cultural diversity as necessary characteristics for new investment sites. That’s because companies say this helps them attract the best workers.

I really enjoy working in my culturally diverse and welcoming environment. I work with people from twenty plus different countries, many religions, many cultures. It genuinely is interesting and I’ve learned a lot doing it.

In a culturally diverse and welcoming environment that doesn’t make me share loos with men. Many of the culturally diverse women I work with would be unable to use such toilets and therefore it would NOT be a welcoming environment for them. I’ve turned down job offers for non pleasant working environments before - I won’t take roles at places open plan offices while I have a choice for example. Only mixed sex toilets would see me refuse a job while I have a choice too.

Since when did ‘we love working with people from everywhere because it gives us global coverage and insight and we are a supportive team’ morph into ‘MEN! Access all areas!’ ?

This is a top down movement. It’s aimed at total removal of women’s ability to be private, to congregate and even to speak. It is a men’s sexual rights movement and I will fight it to the last breath in my body.

[FamousPJ]

This is a top down movement. It’s aimed at total removal of women’s ability to be private, to congregate and even to speak.

Actually, it's just regarding toilets, which are just for urination, menstruation, and defecation, and have absolutely nothing to do with congregating or speaking.

It is a men’s sexual rights movement and I will fight it to the last breath in my body.

First of all, that's rubbish and you have no evidence for it.

Second, I'm bemused that you think "men's sexual rights" are a bad thing. Sexual rights are for everyone you know.

[Bowlofbabelfish]

Of course it’s a men’s sexual rights movement.

1. Its main thrust in the UK is getting self ID through and reforming the GRA. That would make the Equality Act 2010 unenforceable, and that would mean gender replaced sex as a protected characteristic. That will strip women of their rights, all of them.
   

1. Groups like mermaids and all sorts promote ‘guidance’ to schools that are incompatible with safeguarding, placing gender questioning children outside the safeguarding framework and leaving them vulnerable to predators.
   

1. The only people who gain when single sex provisions are opened up to be mixed sex are men who want access to women and children.
   

1. Sex offenders have been involved in drawing up the rules for transfer of men into women’s prisons. - giving men access to vulnerable women. Women have already been harmed by this,
   

1. Stripping girls of any private space away from men erodes their boundaries. Telling girls they are in the wrong if they don’t want to change with a Male in PE erodes their boundaries. Telling girl guides they are in the wrong if they don’t want to sleep next to or shower with males is eroding their boundaries. Leaving them vulnerable to and accessible to predators
   

1. Channelling children down a route of puberty blockers, and hormones damages their bodies permanently. It creates s class of children with pre pubescent bodies who are over the age of consent. People are now pressing for even younger children to be given drugs, arguing Gillick competence applies here. That opens the door to arguing that children can consent to all manner of things. That’s a predators dream.
   

None of this movement is beneficial to people just quietly living their lives with gender dysphoria. None of it benefits women. None of it benefits children.

All of it benefits men and anyone who wants safeguarding dismantled, access to vulnerable women, access to single sex provision and access to children.

Toilets are just one aspect, but one which impacts almost everyone.

This is a men’s sexual rights movement. It’s the biggest challenge to women’s safety in a century

[Bowlofbabelfish]

Sexual rights are for everyone you know

No one has a right to sex. Sex has to be consensual.

[Rufusthebewilderedreindeer]

and have absolutely nothing to do with congregating or speaking

Youve never been to the bogs with a friend...or group of ?

[Bowlofbabelfish]

and have absolutely nothing to do with congregating or speaking

Nothing at all. Apart from women who want to discuss their legal rights being removed, being punched, smoke bombed, threatened with bombs, threatened by men in masks, met with vexatious lawsuits, harassed, threatened with rape, having their employers contacted,having the doors of their offices pissed on, being stalked, having the police set on them as a tactic, being banned from Twitter and getting death threats.

Apart from that, nowt to do with it at all.

[Rufusthebewilderedreindeer]

Absolutely bowl

I was of course taking it very literally

[Bowlofbabelfish]

Well yes that too rufus

Still there will be no need for women’s loos in this brave new world. We won’t be doing anything as scary as going out in public or working! We will be handed out to men like sweeties as a prize for them existing

[FamousPJ]

Absolutely nothing you said has anything to do with sexual rights for men (unless you are implying that men being able to "access" women and children, as you said in point 3, is a sexual right... Which is a really really creepy thing to suggest).

Point 1- suggesting that women would lose their rights is nonsense. There are no rights that men have that women don't have, so allowing people to transition has no impact.
Point 2- citation needed.
Point 3- first of all, men are in contact with children in men's toilets anyway, so it's false to imply that not allowing transwomen into women's toilets would prevent access to children. Second, sex offenders who have intentions on harming women don't care what's legal and what isn't! Men (not transwomen, men) have raped women in toilets; they weren't supposed to be in there anyway, so what the law says is irrelevant for preventing this type of crime.
Point 4- I would be more concerned about what women have done to other women in prison.
Point 5- suggesting that young transgirls are sexual predators is outrageous. But if you are bothered about seeing a penis,then I think the problem is with you and not the transwomen. Men have far more maturity than this; we don't complain about seeing vaginas in our changing rooms because we aren't oversized children.
Point 6- fictional rubbish.

None of this movement is beneficial to people just quietly living their lives with gender dysphoria.

Again, incorrect. Transwomen are extremely vulnerable to violence from men. Forcing transwomen into men's toilets and men's changing rooms puts them in danger. YOU are the one who is helping predators!

[FamousPJ]

Nothing at all. Apart from women who want to discuss their legal rights being removed, being punched, smoke bombed, threatened with bombs, threatened by men in masks, met with vexatious lawsuits, harassed, threatened with rape, having their employers contacted,having the doors of their offices pissed on, being stalked, having the police set on them as a tactic, being banned from Twitter and getting death threats.

You discuss all that in a toilet? Insanity.

[NothingOnTellyAgain]

"Actually, it's just regarding toilets, which are just for urination, menstruation, and defecation, and have absolutely nothing to do with congregating or speaking."

Yes it's well known that women never chat in toilets, hide in toilets, cry in toilets, laugh with their mates in toilets, get ready to go out in toilets ....

I mean men never joke about "what on earth do women do in there and why do they go in groups", do they!

[NothingOnTellyAgain]

I have comforted total strangers in the ladies. Loads of times.

Also missing from the list was vomiting in the toilets which we probs do more of because of pregnancy, trying to get over a hot flush in the toilets etc

[NothingOnTellyAgain]

"unless you are implying that men being able to "access" women and children, as you said in point 3, is a sexual right... Which is a really really creepy thing to suggest"

Loads and loads of men are creepy.

That's kind of the whole point.

[TallulahWaitingInTheRain]

The latest DARVO thing seems to be suggesting that there's something 'creepy' or obsessive about people who discuss male sexual violence and bullying towards women.

[NothingOnTellyAgain]

lol @ "men don't mind seeing vaginas in the changing room" :D guffaw brilliant

Got any more like that?