Generation activism with Fox and Owl

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I'm not sure if I've missed this being posted here. For 7 minutes Fox and Owl discuss their activism, the transphobia they face and their 'off the record' meetings with politicians on BBC 3.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p06p3dmg/generation-activism-series-1-4-transgender-rights

I'm surprised Owl is still getting journalism work after the recent libel case...

I was going to post about this. It's hilarious! Like a parody fly on the wall documentary.

A heterosexual couple getting a few sniggers because they seek speshul status does not equate to transphobia.

They need to team up with snake.

It’s transphobic to question the presence or absence of a snake.

No wonder they are exhausted keeping up with the mad logic inversion that is extreme TRA

Lemon 😁

pretty sure one identifies as a snake on weekends
but which one
I always get ox and fowl mixed up,
can never decide which one is more bovine or which one more birdwitted

Meh. There were more edgy couples in the 90’s.

Who?

I did enjoy hearing how very, very tiring it is to keep travelling to London so much to have off the record chats with government bods. And how chanting 'Non binary is valid' in Totnes is the highlight of someone's year.

Come to think of it, I still don't really understand that statement. 'Transwomen are women' is obviously nonsense, but the internal logic can be followed. 'Non binary is valid' is such a weirdly rubbish claim, sort of like having an argument with a bus driver about whether your ticket entitles you to get into town or not.

Oh, and we all noticed 'Putting the 'T' first', yes? I'm guessing it wasn't a comment on beverage etiquette.

"Totnes, Population 8000" 😁

As I said it came across to me like a parody. Like if someone had made a comedy fake fly on the wall documentary like This Country or The Office, but about TRAs.

Non binary is valid' is such a weirdly rubbish claim, sort of like having an argument with a bus driver about whether your ticket entitles you to get into town or not.

And yes, this exactly 😂

I've never seen this pair speaking before - they're just a straight couple, aren't they? What's "non-binary" about them?

Genuine question.

I’m in Totnes. My best friend is a lesbian who dresses very butchly. Fox/ Owl/ one of their hand maidens tried to high 5 my friend and told her ‘your the kind of guy that’s changing the world’ while we were minding our own business eating cake. BF laughed and said ‘I’m a woman you twat’. Mumbles of sorry and awkwardness. Waitress then asked me to ask my friend to apologise to the person that had called her a man. She declined and we went to Morrison’s.

It's such an anti-climax in the series of chants, too.

"Transwomen are women"

Everyone sturdily repeats

"Transmen are men"

Ditto

"Non binary is valid'

The repeat trails off a bit, and there's an awkward beat and then some yells approval and laughter breaks the discomfort

It's like starting with the phrase everyone knows because it's been drummed into them, and ending on a really unexciting whimper.

"Transwomen are women! Transmen are men! Non binary people are sort of neither here nor there but are very special anyway!"

I've never seen this pair speaking before - they're just a straight couple, aren't they? What's "non-binary" about them?

Fox the female partner presents as stereotypically male and Owl the male partner presents as stereotypically female. Or they aim to, anyway. But they're not the sharpest tools, either of them.

So - is Fox the one with the tattoed chest?

It's like starting with the phrase everyone knows because it's been drummed into them, and ending on a really unexciting whimper.

It all sounded pretty monotone to me. Like swearing allegiance to the powerful in a dystopian Orwellian future.

Agree "non binary is valid" sounded really lame.

Yes Vicky.

what, what- the waitress expected your friend to apologise????
but she had been misgendered!! literal violence!!
I hope she's OK, that kind of thing can be fatal I've heard

Ooo, I know. I was misgendered once and it was worse than a paper cut! And I nearly lost a limb the last time I opened an envelope too quick and got one of those!!

I hope she's OK, that kind of thing can be fatal I've heard

Almost 20 years ago my (female) partner and I went to look at a house we were thinking of buying.

The owner asked if I was my partner's mother. She's two years older than me.

I've never quite got over it...(and no, we did not buy the fucking house!)

It's one of the funniest things I've seen since "league of gentlemen'" left our screens. I especially liked that the one who I think is female (though I kept looking and thinking 'is that a male brow I see there?' but then I find myself doing that all the time these days, so confused I am) did seem to be doing a lot of the domestic chores.

What possible excuse could that waitress have had for asking your friend to apologise to Fox/Owl, BathFullOfEels? Morrisons sounds the safer bet.