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Scottish Green Party - officially unwelcome if you don't accept someone's gender

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GreenPartyResignation · 21/10/2018 20:58

Passed today. This is frightening. Comments on Twitter fairly critical.

mobile.twitter.com/rainbowgreens/status/1051451937143558144

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BlardyBlar · 21/10/2018 21:02

Maybe they’ll rename it the Snottish Green Party.

Gentlygently · 21/10/2018 21:03

Is this legal? Isn’t this discrimination due to belief (in reality)?

GreenPartyResignation · 21/10/2018 21:05

Also here www.thenational.scot/news/16997646.transphobes-not-welcome-in-scottish-green-party/

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ecosomething · 21/10/2018 21:05

Dreadful authoritarian nonsense from the Scottish Greens

Popchyk · 21/10/2018 21:05

The Twitter comments are good though.

Nobody is buying it.

GreenPartyResignation · 21/10/2018 21:06

Is this legal? Isn’t this discrimination due to belief (in reality)?

Could be, anyone have experience of this?

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Babdoc · 21/10/2018 21:10

I’m hugely heartened by the comments! The vast majority are ripping the shit out of this unscientific crap, pointing out the misogyny, and resigning their membership of the Greens!
Yay for common sense. The message is getting out there at last.

MIdgebabe · 21/10/2018 21:11

Well actually what the bit shown says is fine by me

No one should face discrimination just because they have a gender identity. No one should face discrim8natiom because of their choice of gender identity.

That’s fine and great if it’s important to them

But gender isn’t sex and sex based rights should be allocated based on sex not gender. Simples, all happy .

Budgieinaberet · 21/10/2018 21:11

I have no words

EverardDigby · 21/10/2018 21:23

gender isn’t sex and sex based rights should be allocated based on sex not gender. Simples, all happy .

I suspect this view is not allowed.

But apparently it's okay if you've held transphobic views in the past, according to the article, you can be re-educated and forgiven.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 21/10/2018 21:31

I saw this. It's particularly scary that they are mandating what members should believe

GreenPartyResignation · 21/10/2018 21:38

Yes, basically if you believe Karen White is a man you are not welcome in the Scottish Greens.

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Trousered · 21/10/2018 21:43

Cass McGregor talks about working towards a less binary society by counting males as females....

"To advance equality for women, political parties such as the Scottish Greens have commitments to offer a gender balanced list of candidates at election."

HerFemaleness · 21/10/2018 22:02

Women saying things we don't like and the Scottish Green Party

Within the past month, women saying things we dont like has dramatically increased across the media. Notable public fugures, outwith our party have expressed this rhetoric while claiming their devotion the cause of Green politics. The Scottish Green Party believes that this is wrong: Green politics cannot be reconciled with acknowledging the reality of biological sex. For this reason, the Conference of the Scottish Green Party takes this opportunity to publicly reaffirm our commitment to silencing women, and to reiterate our welcome to non non-men who have interests and personalities.

The Scottish Green Party affirms the human, moral, and legal right to determine one's own interests and personalities. The Scottish Green Party affirms that we don't understand how babies are made, and that all personalities (or lack thereof) are inherently valid. The Scottish Green Party requires that all members of the party accept the personality determined by each individual. The Scottish Green Party regards refusal to do so as heresy, and affirms that any behaviour which demonstrates free thought is heretical.

Therefore, the Conference of the Scottish Green Party instructs all relevant party bodies to enshrine within the members' Code of Conduct the clear, unambiguous requirement for respect of all personalities and their self-determination. The Conference of the Scottish Green Party further instructs all relevant party bodies to ensure that violation of this requirement particularly with regard to women saying things we don't like, shall be a serious actionable offence under the party's Complaints Procedure.

Finally, the Conference of the Scottish Green Party affirms that women saying things we don't like of any kind are not welcome as members of the Scottish Green Party.

Scottish Greens, I've fixed your motion for you. You're welcome.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 21/10/2018 22:05

Goodness.

The trans silo is quite large and they are welcome to it.

LorettasBox · 21/10/2018 22:18

Yeah, doesn't surprise me. I know a Green Party member and their head is full of stuffing about this issue. I'm surprised I still know them, tbh, because I've stuck my head above the parapet more than once and they've parroted every cliché in the book at me.

Budgieinaberet · 21/10/2018 22:27

HerFemaleness Grin

Juells · 21/10/2018 22:35

Gosh, it's going really well for them on twitter isn't it? 😂

Juells · 21/10/2018 22:36

HerFemaleness - screenshot it and tweet it to them 😂

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 21/10/2018 22:45

This is I think tangentially relevant:

The co-convenor of the Scottish Greens has launched a stinging criticism of party's attitude to gender balance claiming she has to "fight for airtime" with her male colleagues.

On the eve of the party conference Maggie Chapman, who has been joint leader for the last five years alongside Patrick Harvie, said the Greens are still struggling to close the gender gap and give women the representation they deserve.

Ms Chapman said: “One of the frustrations I’ve had in the party is having to fight for air-time, not just for me, but for other women. When I started as co-convenor, there was this idea that Patrick wold do the external stuff, and I would do the internal stuff. How gender stereotypical can you get?”

She said: "The first year I wasn’t given a conference speech. I just opened the conference. But we’ve moved on from that. We now do have equal minutes.”

HeraldScotland 13 MENU
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THE co-convenor of the Scottish Greens has launched a stinging criticism of party's attitude to gender balance claiming she has to "fight for airtime" with her male colleagues.

On the eve of the party conference Maggie Chapman, who has been joint leader for the last five years alongside Patrick Harvie, said the Greens are still struggling to close the gender gap and give women the representation they deserve.

Ms Chapman said: “One of the frustrations I’ve had in the party is having to fight for air-time, not just for me, but for other women. When I started as co-convenor, there was this idea that Patrick wold do the external stuff, and I would do the internal stuff. How gender stereotypical can you get?”

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The former Edinburgh City Councillor who is also chief executive of the Scottish Council on Visual Impairment (SCOVI) and rector of Aberdeen University revealed this is only the second year she and Mr Harvie will have the same minutes of speaking time at conference.

She said: "The first year I wasn’t given a conference speech. I just opened the conference. But we’ve moved on from that. We now do have equal minutes.”

Ms Chapman, who grew up in Zimbabwe, first became interested in politics – specifically the Green Party - after watching the UK government ignore mass public protests over war in Iraq.

The 39-year-old won her first election victory in 2007 when she became one of the Scotland's first Green Party councillors to represent Edinburgh's Leith Walk ward.

It was a position she held until mid-2015, when she quit her seat to concentrate on an unsuccessful bid to become an MSP for the North East in the 2016 Scottish Parliament elections. She became co-convenor in 2013, but just two years later had to fight off a challenge by Zara Kitson, who was publicly backed by Harvie.

She is now one of three women to hold political leadership roles in Scotland, along with Nicola Sturgeon of the SNP and Ruth Davidson of the Scottish Conservative Party.

Despite their successes, Ms Chapman believes that gender inequality will always exist until the culture of “patriarchy” changes.

She said: “I think men in politics generally have a hard time giving up space to women. Challenging that is difficult. Patriarchal power structures are so embedded in so much of what we do.

"We can have all the structures in place, like gender-balancing mechanisms, but if we don’t have the culture to match we are going to carry on with this unequal co-convenorship.

“I think it has got better, not for want of trying. I think there are some individuals within the party who need to consider their actions and behaviours quite carefully around what we genuinely mean by equality and sharing power and I’m not just talking about the co-convenorship positions.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/16996280.scottish-greens-co-leader-slams-partys-gender-balance/ (Excerpts)

ProfessoressWoland · 21/10/2018 22:45

Look at it as a useful litmus test to determine which party is still capable of rational policymaking. The Greens are telling me that they've lost the plot. I appreciate the honesty.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 21/10/2018 22:46

Sorry, C&P fail Blush

SPOFS · 21/10/2018 23:05

Whet an embarrassing mess. It's woke student politics on Red Bull.

Iggii · 21/10/2018 23:20

Always my second vote, occasionally first. Not any more. Idiots

littlbrowndog · 21/10/2018 23:31

Lols who cares. They were the Green Party. Now just silly men party

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