Which companies, charities and public organisations are supporting Stonewall's position?

[R0wantrees]

Publicised today.

Some interesting inclusions, many with considerable influence

This is significant.

For the record, yay on supporting trans people.
However, I think that this is different from understanding sex vs gender, and the concerns around this debate, from a female-rights perspective.

I can't stop looking at GCHQ being part of the list.

As if this whole thing wasn't already ringing some totalitarian alarm bells.

For the record, yay on supporting trans people.

Yes for the record, I have done this and will continue to do this.

Stonewall's position and agenda though is something different.

The statement itself is bland, as others have said. But these organisations appear to be endorsing Stonewall and its approach. Readers are directed to www.stonewall.org.uk/our-work/campaigns/come-out-trans-equality for more info. That page prominently supports GRA reform.
It would be like if these organisations had signed a bland statement supporting workers or opposing poverty but then directing people to a Labour party policy page for more info.

That page prominently supports GRA reform.
It would be like if these organisations had signed a bland statement supporting workers or opposing poverty but then directing people to a Labour party policy page for more info.

Yes it would. Are the companies aware of this? Who took the decision in GCHQ to put their name on an ad endorsing Stonewall guidance?

Sue Pascoe= Mesmac, Channel 4 & Conservative LGBT+

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3383926-Sue-Pascoe

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3331095-Channel-4-appoints-a-new-advisor-on-inclusion

Pretty much every corporate firm has scrambled to have a Stonewall partnership/charter mark (not sure what their official program is called). Much of the reason for that goes back to gay rights and the campaign for marriage equality.

There is a reason they haven't robustly defended their position on self ID in that ad alongside all those names because if they did that I expect they would have to check with every CEO that they explicitly agreed with the political message.

A bland, inoffensive respect and dignity message won't be an issue for those companies. Being associated with defending Self ID male rapists in female prisons (for example) probably would be an issue for many.

yes, that's the thing. People are saying ijust bland, says nothing, but it's Stonewall's position that all these organizations are supporting, whether they realise it or not.

Another thread about this here

And the consensus on that thread is pretty much, yes, agree with everything in that rather bland statement, interesting no mention of self ID though!

Do I need to boycott them all? I'm losing track of all the companies I need to boycott

The statement itself is bland, as others have said. But these organisations appear to be endorsing Stonewall and its approach.

Yes, the message as written is obviously a good one, but politically I disagree completely with Stonewall's position on the GRA. I don't know if all of these organizations have truly thought this through. Especially if they have a nice shiny Stonewall diversity champion certificate.
It is pretty interesting that FPFW seems to have managed to prompt this response, though...
It's all feeling very David and Goliath, isn't it?
We are applauding handfuls of individuals taking huge personal risks by speaking out in public, thanking organizations who dare to advertise on a parenting forum, and supporting a couple of grassroots women's rights campaigners.
Stonewall is prominently displaying that, far from being any sort of underdog, they literally have the government, banks, media, charity sector, and basically everyone with money, power and influence "on their side."
But women have the truth.
Let's hope that's enough.

Do I need to boycott them all? I'm losing track of all the companies I need to boycott

Not necessarily but it does give us a starting point to write to them all asking them to explicitly explain their stance on Self ID and women's rights.

Hmm. This looks to me like a bit of a mix. I know some of those organisations are actively pro self-ID (such as Amnesty, Unison etc), and some of those are already on my "to write to" list because of that. But others I suspect haven't particularly considered it and may not be fully aware of where the link goes, and have just gone for the nice trans support message. So it would not make sense to boycott or attack them for that IMO; but a calm message saying it's great that they are supportive of trans people, but asking are they aware of where that link goes and that many women, parents etc have concerns about the proposals may be more helpful. Especially if Stonewall were not fully open about that when asking for their support.

It raises the question what a company or organisation is signing up to when they become a corporate partner or diversity champion?

Are they giving Stonewall the right to publicly associate them with every single political stance they take or do they retain the right to be consulted first?

How many of these companies actually support the removal of women's protections by way of lobbying to remove the protected characteristic of sex from the equality act?

@ Sarahjconnor
This is the list you asked for

I think the problem is that stonewall did a huge recruitment drive a while back when they really were standing up for gays and lesbians... and these organisations haven't caught up with the change to a misogynistic organisation (ironically run by a woman) which is anti-lesbian and pro-modern-trans.

Many schools are proud to be stonewall schools but just havent thought it through

A few from my sector in there.

As others say statement is bland.

My sector is quite "traditional" and still male dominated from middle mgmt up > men dont' immediately think (as most women do) oh fuck me all the creepy weirdy wanky men have an "in" to where we're getting our kit off etc

I get stonewall surveys round at work. they are ALWAYS about trans and only trans and have been for as long as I've seen them (last 3 years I think).

I have been to talks hosted by sector lgbt+ groups with stonewall etc and there are never any obvious / visible trans poeple in the room but loads of kind earnest gay men, and the topic is always like 30% gay 70% trans and all the lovely earnest gay men handwringing over trans sittuation. Which makes me pretty sad tbh. There are usually a few lesbians knocking around who have less to say on the topic.

Trans has taken over both feminism and LGB groups money lobbying etc etc it's bonkers to see it in real life.

We have had 3 speakers in the workplace who are trans > much more than any other interest type / group.

In contrast they were gettign womens group going, it changed from womens group to something else which was "inclusive of all genders" , and then petered out. I tried to get involved but the wanted something on trend and I am not

48 hours ago, I tweeted all the companies on that list that I have spent money with, or would consider spending money with . Not a single response so far.........

"If you really don't care about the rights of women and girls I'd like to know that, so you can never have any of my money ever again.
If you were misled about the context of the ad, I'd like you to know that, so you can rethink the trust you place in Stonewall"

Got a reply back from tesco. Said they would pass on my concerns. Possibly to the bin, but nothing tried, nothing gained...🤷🏽‍♀️