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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

We've been lied to about 'Single SEX' wards since 2010.

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Barracker · 16/10/2018 22:06

medium.com/@anneharperwright/sex-gender-the-nhs-1e8f4e6363a6

They were ALWAYS based upon 'gender'.
The evidence is in NHS documents from 2010.
And the Department of Health were told, by the NHS team, not to tell people wards were segregated by sex, because they knew the policy was based on gender.

But the DOH purposefully used the word sex to the public instead.

We've been deliberately misled.

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BigotedWoman · 16/10/2018 22:08

Thank you for your digging Barracker and thank you Anne Harper-Wright.

Barracker · 16/10/2018 22:19

"The Policy Commitment relates to gender, not sex"

We've been lied to about 'Single SEX' wards since 2010.
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BigotedWoman · 16/10/2018 22:22

'Official Guidance issued to the NHS in 2009 confirmed that regardless of anatomy, legal status, or documentation, the self-declared gender identity of one patient would take precedence over the actual sex of all others in their shared ward. NHS rules state you do not need a gender recognition certificate. There is only one requirement. You must incant the words “I identify as …”'

And then...

Any person, adult or child, who merely declares a gender different to their sex, will be accommodated without question in a ward with members of the opposite sex (whose compulsory gendered psyche will be assumed on their behalf, and whose objections will be considered groundless and probably bigoted).

There is no such thing as a single sex ward, because we don’t even consider sex when segregating wards.

The Care Quality Commission published a report in September that demonstrated that sexual incidents, including harassment, assaults and rapes are “commonplace” in NHS mental health units. A total of 1,120 sexual incidents — 65 a week — occurred on mental health wards in England during April, May and June of 2017. The figures included 29 alleged rapes. And this figure only relates to mental health units, not other wards.

Angry Angry Angry

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 16/10/2018 22:22

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heresyandwitchcraft · 16/10/2018 22:22

Thank you Barracker for sharing, and huge plaudits to the author of this piece. The information revealed in this article makes me absolutely LIVID.

NewWomensMovement · 16/10/2018 22:23

Why didn't they use this to avoid paying fines for mixed sex wards before the fines were recently scrapped?

Barracker · 16/10/2018 22:24

They did, presumably.

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R0wantrees · 16/10/2018 22:32

This needs to go to AIBU

GulagsMyArse · 16/10/2018 22:33

thanks •Barracker•, I'm out of words today, this and the David Davis thread, I feel pretty low. What A bunch of . we've been sold down the river a long time ago.

AngryAttackKittens · 16/10/2018 22:35

This needs to go EVERYWHERE. The public did not want mixed sex wards, and made that very clear. The NHS should not be allowed to ignore the will of the public.

drinkswineoutofamug · 16/10/2018 22:35

I will have a look tomorrow while at work for our trust policy on single sex wards. I've thought this for a long time

LangCleg · 16/10/2018 22:35

WTAF?

Barracker · 16/10/2018 22:35

There's more to come I'm afraid Gulag.

Wait till you hear about what's on our medical records...

(that's for another day)

Knowledge is power though, pal.

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FFSFFSFFS · 16/10/2018 22:36

I'd put it in Aibu but not assume people understand the sex gender difference

Ie biological males who say that they feel like women are put in women's wards

I think so many people don't understand what's going on because of the confusing language

FFSFFSFFS · 16/10/2018 22:37

(That wasn't a criticism of your particular use of language btw - it's a criticism of the entire linguistic shit show that this issue is)

Barracker · 16/10/2018 22:37

drinks the medium article links to several publicly available NHS documents, including National Policies on Single 'sex' wards.

Also a whole suite of NHS documents called the "SEX and GENDER information standards"

You may find them useful

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snizzer · 16/10/2018 22:37

Oh no so what is on our medical records then ?

NothingOnTellyAgain · 16/10/2018 22:38

I am utterly flabbergasted. What the fuck? The government misled the public deliberately in a massive massive way... but why? I don't get it. Something seriously weird is going on here isn't it. Its not just me that thinks that is it?

I remember well all the announcements and stuff about no mixed sex wards... and it was deliberate lies/ misleading at the most generous. WHY? I don't believe the Tories as a group have particular concerns/ kindness for trans people in general, so what the fuck is this really all about?

Barracker · 16/10/2018 22:38

If you're on twitter, you may want to share this thread to get this out to a wider audience.

twitter.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1052296768115888128

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Barracker · 16/10/2018 22:39

Perhaps see if Gilligan, Kirkup or Janice might pick this up.

They can fact check by looking at the documents in the links, or speaking to Anne Harper-Wright.

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Barracker · 16/10/2018 22:42

Here's what the NHS have to say about sex and gender:

“The term ‘Gender’ is now considered too ambiguous to be desirable or safe”

“Users may confuse the terms current gender and sex, or assume that they are synonymous”

“It is therefore desirable to use the two distinct terms ‘Sex’ and ‘Current Gender’ “

“The Current Gender input controls are used to record the gender, according to how a patient currently describes themselves, whereas the Sex input controls records their phenotypic sex”

~NHS Sex and Current Gender Input and Display User Interface Design Guidance

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HawkeyeInConfusion · 16/10/2018 22:43

Wtaf? Angry

Barracker · 16/10/2018 22:45

your ladybrain snizzer

didn't you know?

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HandsOffMyRights · 16/10/2018 22:56

This was in my local paper recently. I remember thinking, that's a lot of assaults and kept the piece.

We've been lied to about 'Single SEX' wards since 2010.
BeUpStanding · 16/10/2018 22:57

OMG!!! This is HUGE! Surely this has to be the thing that finally blows the cover off the issue?

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