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We've been lied to about 'Single SEX' wards since 2010.

93 replies

Barracker · 16/10/2018 22:06

medium.com/@anneharperwright/sex-gender-the-nhs-1e8f4e6363a6

They were ALWAYS based upon 'gender'.
The evidence is in NHS documents from 2010.
And the Department of Health were told, by the NHS team, not to tell people wards were segregated by sex, because they knew the policy was based on gender.

But the DOH purposefully used the word sex to the public instead.

We've been deliberately misled.

OP posts:
Invisible1234 · 17/10/2018 06:35

A friend of a friend was raped in hospital a few months ago and it wasn't even a mixed sex ward, there was just nothing and noone to stop him going into her ward.

ohello · 17/10/2018 08:38

My ptsd is going off the charts...

NothingOnTellyAgain · 17/10/2018 08:39

"This codifies into policy that “woman” is defined by presentation and performance of gender role. This is where it’s always been headed, the elimination of biological sex binary in favor of a femininity/masculinity binary."

BUT it goes one way only.

Many women have short hair, wear trousers and plain t shirts, no make up, flats. Many many older and elderly women rock this look. Are women dressed like this who are unconscious out in a male ward? I'm willing to bet not. This is all about and only about men's rights.

AngryAttackKittens · 17/10/2018 09:36

This is bewildering. Governments lie to their people allright. Nothing new there.But in this particular instance, what did they think? That nobody would ever notice?

I think they thought that by the time anyone noticed it would all be done and dusted and it would be too late to change or even challenge these kinds of policies. That's certainly what the trans orgs seem to have assumed, which is why they're so bloody furious now - from their perspective they had it in the bag and then at the 11th hour some bloody women threw a spanner in the works. How dare we interfere with their manifest destiny in such a way?

hackmum · 17/10/2018 09:50

The most shocking bit is: "The policy commitment relates to gender, not sex, but to ensure a better public understanding, it is referred to as Mixed-Sex Accommodation (MSA)."

So to make sure the public understand this policy, we will lie about what the policy is? If that's not Orwellianism in action, what is?

7Days · 17/10/2018 10:05

But why? Nobody wants it.

Who'd want an elderly agp type with dementia roaming around free with their elderly mother and not even having the language or the grounds to object.

Wtf.

BigotedWoman · 17/10/2018 10:16

What can we do about it?

Datun · 17/10/2018 11:51

Keep talking about it. Alerts mainstream media.

I'm still struggling with why?

Mixed sex wards increase sexual assault. No one wants them. They're a vote loser.

The climate of fear is making a disproportionate number of people capitulate. But, one thing I have noticed, is the volte face is swift and bloody when people realise they have been duped.

deepwatersolo · 17/10/2018 12:42

I think they thought that by the time anyone noticed it would all be done and dusted and it would be too late to change or even challenge these kinds of policies.

So, a bit like the Iraq war then, eh?

stillathing · 17/10/2018 12:50

this is disgusting. i have spent far too much of my life inside hospitals with a devastatingly ill close relative. some hospitals have been amazing but the local one, a huge trauma centre, was dire. filthy and overcrowded in the sense that you could tell that the ward had been designed for x number of beds and yet they had managed to fit double in. so the flimsy curtains never felt like enough privacy anyway.

on several occasions my relative was sent to the geriatric ward despite not being geriatric. it was a really hard ward to visit emotionally. as well as the dirt and overcrowding, there seemed to be an alarming number of disinhibited patients wandering around at all hours. my relative was always on edge there. the thought that they were additionally at risk sexual assault - they were very physically vulnerable - is almost too much to bear.

reallyanotherone · 17/10/2018 12:56

There is only one requirement. You must incant the words “I identify as …”'

To me, “identifying” as something is effectively saying you aren’t. I identify as- translates as “i’m not, but you must treat me as if I am”

Doesn’t that go against trans ideology? These women are saying they are women. So why do they have to “identify”. Surely that’s literal violence and they should just be able to rock up and say “i am a woman” and we must believe them? None of this identifying lark, they are women, end of.

HawkeyeInConfusion · 17/10/2018 12:59

I am beyond appalled. That so long ago the government initiated this policy and then deliberately withheld information about it from the public.

So it would appear that the NHS has coercively assigned me a gender. Presumably I can insist that they remove it from my record and set my gender to 'none'.

#deletemygender

PencilsInSpace · 17/10/2018 18:39

Just caught up with this. Fucking hell.

Datun · 17/10/2018 18:46

stillathing

I've written and deleted a post to you several times. It's too hard to get the right words. I totally understand is all.

Flowers
stillathing · 17/10/2018 20:08

datun thank you

I am the biggest writer & deleter of posts. Words can feel so limited! Imagine a real life smile back from me instead.

Emerencealwayshopeful · 17/10/2018 21:27

I’m in Australia.

Mixed sex wards have been a reality here for 20 years. Maternity wards and the women’s hospital (which specifically deals with female body issues) are the only hospital spaces that are segregated. And even then when maternity wards are overcrowded women can be moved to other wards.

That is what happened to me with baby 2 - private hospital so individual rooms, but all opening to a nurses station so impossible not to know that men were on the ward. That’s partly why I had 3 and 4 at home.

More frightening was my experience last year when I was admitted to a large public hospital through emergency and then placed in a standard mixed sex ward. I was physically unable to move but was sharing with an older man who could. Nurse response time from pressing the call button was about 20 minutes. I was scared the entire time.

My sister has been assaulted at hospitals numerous times, so my fear wasn’t groundless.

PeakTrans · 17/10/2018 22:37

Following to read in full

RedToothBrush · 17/10/2018 22:59

I'm fairly sure the maternity ward I was on, was single sex. I can't work out why that's the case and other wards are mixed. Why only maternity? What is it about maternity wards that means there's no males admitted?

I'm struggling with this post 1984.

R0wantrees · 03/01/2019 13:30

current threads discussing healthcare issues in NHS for people who are transgender includes consequences of conflation of sex and gender:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3467877--P-utting-LGBT-people-s-needs-at-the-heart-of-the-NHS-Government-spokesman

Tara Hewitt & Nic Williams on LBC today:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3467959-LBC-this-morning

31/1/18 BBC report on provision of fertility treatment for people who are transgender:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3465629-the-bbc-have-just-peak-transed-the-nation

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3468135-Maria-Miller-MP-repositioning-or-U-turn-re-Transgender-Equality-Report-and-GRA-self-id-reforms

nevermorelenore · 03/01/2019 14:29

Maternity wards and the women’s hospital (which specifically deals with female body issues) are the only hospital spaces that are segregated.

I recently gave birth and men were allowed to sleep on the wards with their partners overnight. I get that their partners needed extra support, but it was horrible to sleep in a room with snoring men, trying to change and breastfeed with just a curtain for privacy. One of them was extremely verbally abusive to his partner who’d just had a difficult birth. Horrible to hear. If he’d been sent home at least she’d get some respite.

I can’t inagine how bad it would be for elderly, disabled, or women more vulnerable than me to be sharing with men. It’s shocking.

welshgendercrit · 03/01/2019 17:05

*Many women have short hair, wear trousers and plain t shirts, no make up, flats. Many many older and elderly women rock this look. Are women dressed like this who are unconscious out in a male ward? I'm willing to bet not. This is all about and only about men's rights."

This ^^ As one of said elderly women I'm absolutely sure you're right. It's about the constant validation demanded by such as Tara Hewitt, who couldn't look or sound more masculine if dressed in a three-piece suit, yet expects to be treated at all times as a woman. TRA's couldn't care less about anyone's rights or wellbeing other than their own.

welshgendercrit · 03/01/2019 17:05

Sorry boldfail*

Bienchen · 12/01/2019 19:10

Words fail me, who is behind all this?

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