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James Kirkup,Spectator lead article, 'Trans rights have gone wrong. The new gender orthodoxy allows no room for dissent'

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R0wantrees · 04/10/2018 08:41

This is a really comprehensive article and really must be read in full:

James Kirkup concludes:
"All raise serious issues of public policy, yet politicians are silent, fearful of questioning the trans-rights advocates and the consequences of their orthodoxy. Sometimes with good reason, too. Those MPs, mostly women, who have tried to debate this issue have been showered with online hatred. I’ve stopped counting the politicians, cabinet ministers among them, who tell me privately they worry about the trans agenda but won’t say so publicly

That silence troubles me. I am no social conservative, no culture warrior defending ‘traditional’ values. My interest here is fear of political failure, of what happens when sensible politicians fail to do their job by weighing evidence and reconciling conflicting interests. The failure leaves the trans debate dominated by shrill and aggressive groups intent on eliminating inconvenient evidence and dissenting views.

Failing to debate trans issues on the facts also creates the conditions for deliberate and harmful populism. Rows about trans people in bathrooms are a staple of America’s culture wars. The current vacuum of leadership on the issue means Britain could easily go the same way, if a politician on the make decided to make trouble. That would benefit no one, least of all transgender people, who deserve to live their lives with the same ordinary dignity as anyone else.

That’s not all that’s at stake. Trans-genderism is the perfect ideology for the on-demand internet age. It gives unquestioned primacy to ‘lived experience’, elevates emotion above evidence and convicts — after instant trial by social media — any scrutiny or doubt of that most heinous contemporary crime, intolerance. It chills debate and stifles critical thinking.

Should policies and laws be made on the basis of facts and evidence, or feelings and demands? You might not think so today, but the way our political system responds to the transgender rights movement will matter to everyone."
www.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/trans-rights-have-gone-wrong/

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R0wantrees · 04/10/2018 11:53

Julie Bindel recent interview:
sputniknews.com/radio-shooting-from-the-lip/201809281068430233-gender-does-not-exist/

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Fallingirl · 04/10/2018 12:29

Another one who’s been on this, and focussing on safeguarding, for a very long time, is Lisa Muggeridge. Her youtube videos on ‘idge of reason’ are superb.

Enjoli · 04/10/2018 12:30

God that's good. I subscribed last month on the strength of Kirkup's pieces. Thank you, James.

R0wantrees · 04/10/2018 12:49

Penny Mordant MP Minister for Women & Equalities at Conservative Conference Stonewall reception this week.

James Kirkup,Spectator lead article, 'Trans rights have gone wrong. The new gender orthodoxy allows no room for dissent'
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MnerXX · 04/10/2018 12:52

Some absolutely amazing pieces coming out now. The tide is really turning now that the realities of self is are starting to play out (Challenors, rapists in female prisons etc). I am feeling really positive about it all. These articles were not there even a month and there is a flood of them now.

Right side of history my arse Grin

R0wantrees · 04/10/2018 14:06

Sarah Brown influential LibDem & member of Stonewall's Trans Inclusion group to James Kirkup, Janice Turner, Sarah Ditum, Julie Bindel, Helen Lewis

JK: "PS When I write about this issue, some people tell me I am "brave" to do so. I'm not. VictoriaPeckham sarahditum bindelj helenlewis - these are brave journalists on this topic."
twitter.com/jameskirkup/status/1047771354911715328

James Kirkup,Spectator lead article, 'Trans rights have gone wrong. The new gender orthodoxy allows no room for dissent'
James Kirkup,Spectator lead article, 'Trans rights have gone wrong. The new gender orthodoxy allows no room for dissent'
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DayMay · 04/10/2018 14:10

You can trans back, you can't escape biology, autism or sexuality. NAS have protected their autistic community from Mermaids.

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 04/10/2018 14:13

Another excellent article James, thank you.

FlowerpotFairyHouse · 04/10/2018 15:22

I really want to share that article on fb but I'm still a bit too nervous toput anything on there. Largely because I don't think most people know anything about it.

ChrysanthemumsAreMums · 04/10/2018 16:17

Great article James. Again

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 04/10/2018 16:44

I asked in two newsagents if they stocked the Spectator but they didn't, just WHSmith who have still just got last week's.
Will try again tomorrow.

ThefusilliJerry · 04/10/2018 18:26

Really relieved to see NAS are disassociating from mermaids. I don’t rate NAS much and would never rely on them myself, but many parents have no choice

SPOFS · 04/10/2018 18:30

I think that the Spectator must have had an influx of new readers and subscribers ever since they first raised this issue. They've realized that they're the only publication allowing a fair debate here, and there running with it. Good for them.

Mumsnut · 04/10/2018 19:13

I too took out a subs on the back of James' articles.

LambChopsMcGee · 04/10/2018 21:40

There are some big names (to my mind...Bindel, Ditum, Helen Lewis (is that right?)) who are GC.
Is there any way we could arrange an event with them -- I know it would get the WPUK treatment but maybe if it did get cancelled and those names (including some men) were listed speakers it would get more attention and bring the issue into the open more??

I went straight out and bought the Spectator after work today.

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NameChangedAgain18 · 04/10/2018 22:09

I’m a new subscriber too thanks to James and Lionel.

HandsOffMyRights · 04/10/2018 22:21

I now subscribe to The Spectator. Thank you James and to the other journalists who tackle this subject. I have all James' articles in my GC folder - at hand for the numerous forms, letters and emails this 'debate' dictates.

I'll add Nick Ferari and Piers Morgan without question as both have interviewed boldly without bending.

Lynsey Hope wrote this thought piece in The Sun.(there's a thread on it) I hope she does more

www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/7362652/changing-gender-new-anorexia/

WokerThanWoke · 04/10/2018 22:32

Helen Lewis says TWAW.

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