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so disappointed in Germaine Greer

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patrickharviesorganicmuesli Tue 23-Jan-18 14:58:08

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/germaine-greer-me-too-harvey-weinstein-women-spread-legs-movie-roles-actress-a8173161.html

Who has said that women 'spread their legs' for Weinstein movie roles and 'it's too late now to start whingeing' re MeToo.

What a complete let down.

WhatKatyDidnt Tue 23-Jan-18 15:04:22

Yup. Hoping her comments have been misreported sad

theDailyShow Tue 23-Jan-18 15:06:32

What she said was

"If you spread your legs because he said 'be nice to me and I'll give you a job in a movie' then I'm afraid that's tantamount to consent, and it's too late now to start whingeing about that,"

I agree with her.

Prostitution is not rape. If someone decides to exchange sex for goods or services then they are not raped. If they were free to leave or say no at any point they have not been raped.

Greer speaks the truth.

WheresTheEvidence Tue 23-Jan-18 15:09:11

Agree with Greer.

Choosing to sleep with someone for gain is prostitution. They chose to sleep with someone for a role arguably they shouldn't have had too and that is wrong but I agree with Germaine saying they had the choice and they chose the role

EamonnWright Tue 23-Jan-18 15:09:42

Everyone in Hollywood knew what went on. The casting couch has been a running joke for decades. If my boss asked me to suck his dick for a promotion I would likely break his jaw.

Greer must be incredulous seeing the likes of Streep campaigning against Sexual harassment.

GuardianLions Tue 23-Jan-18 15:11:47

But there are threats. Its not to just land the role, it is to avoid having your career ruined and never be able to work in the industry again.

MaidOfStars Tue 23-Jan-18 15:17:30

I’m torn here.

I think she’s arguing that women should feel empowered enough to say ‘no’ at the time of the assault/event. Therefore, ‘whingeing’ some twenty years later that you were taken advantage of is pointless - it helps neither yourself nor those who came after you.

Bringondrunkfeb Tue 23-Jan-18 15:19:32

although perhaps Greer has a point in that there are two very different debates to be had and they have been mixed together, one is about what happens when you say no, and the other is about the casting couch and reasons that women didn't feel they could say no.

Idontdowindows Tue 23-Jan-18 15:21:03

Coerced consent is not consent.

Parsleyisntfood Tue 23-Jan-18 15:25:01

Me and my mum fell out about this.
Spread your legs once, get a small role. Then forever more spread your legs to anyone that asks.
Also question of who else is encouraging this leg spreading. Managers, entourage, parents ?
Lots of women are strong enough to say stuff your job, I’m not sucking your penis. Do we just abandon those that aren’t.

ChemistryGeek Tue 23-Jan-18 15:27:13

Is "Give me a blow job or I will destroy your career and you'll never work again" different from "Give me a blow job and you can have this role/promotion"?

theDailyShow Tue 23-Jan-18 15:31:04

Idontdowindows

How do you define coercion? If it comes down to power then isn't any sex in a patriarchal society some kind of coercion?

hackmum Tue 23-Jan-18 15:31:23

Greer these days is just a professional controversialist. She loves the attention.

Bringondrunkfeb Tue 23-Jan-18 15:32:28

i think it is different - in one scenario there is choice, in the other (rape) there is not. You can argue about the validity of that choice, but you can choose not to go for that job etc, you can't choose not to be raped.

LeCroissant Tue 23-Jan-18 15:37:31

Yes I mean who needs women in films anyway? Stupid women expecting to have the job of their dreams, they should just go home and have babies. It's perfectly legitimate for men to take their hopes and dreams, the career they've worked so hard for and use it to coerce sex out of them. What do those women expect? They asked for it.

Idontdowindows Tue 23-Jan-18 15:43:57

@thedailyshow I think that's a facetious question. We all know what coerced consent is. At least all women do....

If a woman has to have sex with a man or otherwise she cannot work in her chosen profession, then the consent is coerced.

If a woman has to have sex with a man or she won't have food, then the consent is coerced.

If a woman has to have sex with a man or she won't have a roof over her head, then the consent is coerced.

Or do I need to use smaller words maybe?

CarefullyDrawnMap Tue 23-Jan-18 15:44:55

I agree with LeCroissant.

And also, whatever your views or the different arguments, what do people want to happen going forward. If what young women now see is just more victim blaming - all the 'oh they're winging' stuff - that isn't going to encourage them to speak up now and get things improved.

And EamonnWright, if someone's boss did ask them to suck his dick and they broke his jaw, they'd be the one being prosecuted and, the way things are at the moment, people would likely be quick to assume you were making things up.

CarefullyDrawnMap Tue 23-Jan-18 15:46:58

whingeing, sorry

theDailyShow Tue 23-Jan-18 15:51:31

@IDontDoWindows

No idea why you were rude. I'd concentrate on mastering punctuation before worrying about your lexicon.

LeCroissant Tue 23-Jan-18 15:55:47

I'm baffled by the assertion that having sex in exchange for a role is prostitution, as though that somehow settles the matter. All that should tell you is that prostitution is coercion - where a person 'consents' to sex they don't want and would never have because they want/need something that the other person (man) is dangling in front of them. That women shrug their shoulders and say 'oh well don't whinge' makes my skin crawl - do you have so little respect for your fellow women, and yourself, that you don't see how fucked up that situation is? How unacceptable it is that men use this as a tactic to use women's bodies like wank receptacles?

LeCroissant Tue 23-Jan-18 16:00:40

I really dislike the sense that the women who did sleep for roles are 'sluts' and deserved to be used, as though they're the ones who should be ashamed. As usual the men, the people who actually created the whole situation and went ahead and used the body of a woman who didn't want to be there, are just let off scot free, as though they have every right to behave in such a disgusting way.

CuriousaboutSamphire Tue 23-Jan-18 16:02:32

OP are you the reporter poster who was disappointed with Margaret Atwood?

I suspect that much of what was said there will be repeated here... misinterpretation of a well thought out feminist opinion is unlikely to garner 100% support!

EamonnWright Tue 23-Jan-18 16:06:13

I really dislike the sense that the women who did sleep for roles are 'sluts' and deserved to be used, as though they're the ones who should be ashamed. As usual the men, the people who actually created the whole situation and went ahead and used the body of a woman who didn't want to be there, are just let off scot free, as though they have every right to behave in such a disgusting way

Yet that isn t happening. At all. Hollywood is a hive of scumbags evidently.

CuriousaboutSamphire Tue 23-Jan-18 16:06:13

As with the Atwood post, there will be a great polemic response.

Both sides will be right, and wrong. But Greer, like Atwood, made valid points, started valid debates, and should be cheered on for being brave enough to try and start a more open, less knee jerk discussion about this.

LeCroissant Tue 23-Jan-18 16:07:26

'Yet that isn t happening. At all. Hollywood is a hive of scumbags evidently.'

Sorry I don't understand. What's not happening?

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