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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

so disappointed in Germaine Greer

153 replies

patrickharviesorganicmuesli · 23/01/2018 14:58

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/germaine-greer-me-too-harvey-weinstein-women-spread-legs-movie-roles-actress-a8173161.html

Who has said that women 'spread their legs' for Weinstein movie roles and 'it's too late now to start whingeing' re MeToo.

What a complete let down.

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UpstartCrow · 23/01/2018 16:08

Woman has an opinion, how dare she. Is being misrepresented, how very fucking original.

''She then continued to explain that intersex people "deserve support" but "it's not the same thing" as being transgender.''

LeCroissant · 23/01/2018 16:08

Totally agree Samphire. What we desperately need is more people to remind women of what their place is - they're getting far too uppity.

LeCroissant · 23/01/2018 16:12

Very well said Theorem. So many men depend on women's fear as a way of raping a woman while still having plausible deniability. And then for some reason there are women there just waiting to back him up, waiting to defend his right to back women into a corner and use their bodies. Why?

MinorRSole · 23/01/2018 16:13

The problem is the men who think it's ok to say they can only get the part in return for sexual favours. Either they qualify for the part, or not, based on merit and ability. What the women did or didn't do is really a mute point as they should never have been put in that position in the first place

LeCroissant · 23/01/2018 16:17

I agree Minor. It shouldn't be possible to exchange sex for roles in the first place. The only reason it is is because so many men are disgusting wankrags.

ohfortuna · 23/01/2018 16:22

why did she have to use this phrase 'spread your legs', it's so derogatory, why not just say 'had sex with'

patrickharviesorganicmuesli · 23/01/2018 16:23

Yes it's that phrase ohfortuna that I particularly disliked - very disparaging and contemptuous.

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ohfortuna · 23/01/2018 16:27

disparaging and contemptuous
Yes!
I cant really explain why but it seems to heap shame on the woman.
'She spread her legs for him'
sounds totally different to 'she had sex with him'
but like I said I cant really pinpoint why

theDailyShow · 23/01/2018 16:28

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ohfortuna · 23/01/2018 16:28

I can barely bring myself to type it, it feels like something my mother would have said to humiliate someone :(

LeCroissant · 23/01/2018 16:29

So in your book theDailyShow - what counts as forced? Does the man have to hold the woman down? Are threats to get her fired ok?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 23/01/2018 16:37

Totally agree Samphire. What we desperately need is more people to remind women of what their place is - they're getting far too uppity. I don't know whether I need to apologise of just fuck off! Smile (I think)

HairyBallTheorem · 23/01/2018 16:39

Daily, no-one is saying all men are rapists. Of course they aren't.

The problem is that a non-negligible number are, and we women cannot tell the difference. Men do not come conveniently marked as "safe", "bit of a cad but not actually a rapist", "full on rapist."

According to criminal psychologist David Lisak (who's done extensive research on date rape on American campuses), about 5% of men will admit (that's right, his methodology is based on what the men themselves will admit to) to being rapists. With an average of 6 victims each. Approximately 1 in 4 women has been the victim of rape or serious sexual assault.

I was alone with a man who had gone to great lengths to stress how secluded the location was, and that he wanted to have sex with me. I had repeatedly said I didn't want sex. He had repeatedly said he did (i.e. ignored my boundaries). If one adopts a Bayesian approach to belief formation, I'd started with prior odds that the chance of him being a rapist was 1 in 20 (which, I repeat, is small but certainly not non-negligible). His behaviour had led me to increase my odds to much higher than 1 in 20, because he kept pushing my boundaries and stressing the fact that there was no-one in earshot.

LeCroissant · 23/01/2018 16:40

Well, in a world where millions of women are raped every year and practically none of the men that do it are convicted, it's hardly brave or even necessary to start a discussion about women 'whingeing' about being manipulated into having sex they don't want by powerful, disgusting shitbags of men. That's my view Samphire. In my view all that can be done by claiming women are 'whingeing' is to make those shitbags feel justified in their disgusting actions. And that is never a good thing in my book (though I suppose disgusting shitbags would disagree with me).

EamonnWright · 23/01/2018 16:41

Maybe what we need is an Edwardian style separation of the sexes.

LeCroissant · 23/01/2018 16:42

Why Eamonn? Because men can't be trusted?

HairyBallTheorem · 23/01/2018 16:43

No, we don't need segregation, we need women to be believed. How many times have we heard the line "but of course, there was no evidence of rape", as if the woman's testimony counted for nothing.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 23/01/2018 16:44

I think, Croissant you may be misunderstanding my point.

Choice of language aside, or maybe because it is inflammatory, both Greer and even that Pamela Anderson piece, raise issues that cannot be ignored.

ihatethecold · 23/01/2018 16:44

Fuck me this thread is depressing. No wonder these women are struggling to be heard when women come out with this bollocks.

LeCroissant · 23/01/2018 16:45

Why can't they be ignored?

WrenNatsworthy · 23/01/2018 16:45

I suspect Sock Puppets all over FWR.

EamonnWright · 23/01/2018 16:48

Why Eamonn? Because men can't be trusted

Well that's the inference. I seen an article a while back by a very high up woman in Facebook and she was saying that there's chat amongst powerful men about not wanting to work with women. Condoleezza Rice said similar thr other day.

Rather that than being internationally shamed for not being able to read someone's mind like that poor fella Ansari.

LeCroissant · 23/01/2018 16:48

Yeah but they're weird - they're not actually saying anything

EamonnWright · 23/01/2018 16:50

No, we don't need segregation, we need women to be believed

Why on earth should I automatically believe someone? People lie all the time about all kinds of things.

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