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Misery loves company: to ride it out or Something Must be Done- pick your camp :)

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DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep Sun 29-Jun-14 21:50:58

Hello again all- may the sleepers continue sleeping, the new arrivals due or here get the idea very quickly and the rest of us see the light at the end of the tunnel!

ElphabaTheGreen Sun 29-Jun-14 22:03:15

Marking my place in preparation for news of baby and miraculous turn-around of the terrible twins.

BaldHedgehog Sun 29-Jun-14 23:06:30

<waddles past still in multipack>

AnotherStitchInTime Sun 29-Jun-14 23:17:55

Hello all,

I think in some parallel stepford wife universe this child rearing lark all happens in a perfect Annabel Karmel type way.

Here in the real world we are just taking each day as it comes.

Well done dreaming for getting some of an evening to yourself, glad your hard work is paying off. Your DH needs to get with it, seriously it is so much easier when you work as a team.

Elph you poor thing, third trimester sleeplessness and a non-napping toddler is just not fair, although sounds like he might nearly be at the playing/watching TV while mummy snoozes stage which is good.

Hope you are OK bald

Hello poppy and Charlie my number two is my nightmare sleeper now too.

Well ds is getting better from croup. Tonight I thought I had it down, all kids in bed asleep by 7.30pm despite DH being away. But oh no ds woke again just as I was going to get in my bath at 8.30pm. Got him back to sleep, jumped in bath then was still in towel when dd2 woke up at 9.30pm having a mega night terror and ill with croup and would only go back to sleep cradled in my arms like a baby. Would have been fine with that except she woke ds again and he was screaming because he gets scared and very upset when she cries. Gave in and gave her lullabies on my tablet. Fed ds to sleep, put him back into bed then finally got dd2 back to sleep for 10.30pm in my bed. So much for an evening to myself!

Ds in bed for 7pm

ElphabaTheGreen Mon 30-Jun-14 15:47:06

I realised after posting that I really shouldn't moan about one weary day with one toddler with Dreaming and Stitch on here...blush

Dreaming My DH expected the Readers' Digest version from me as well - I forwarded every sleep plan and article to him and he didn't read a word. I had to summarise and direct the whole thing. TBH, I wasn't terribly bothered because I'd read so much more on sleep and knew so much more about DS's sleep than DH did/does that I could make sure we were doing exactly the same thing, based upon Ann's advice. I actually think it worked better that way rather than us both reading, interpreting things slightly differently then rowing about it.

Well, DS2's room is now painted and carpeted. Just need to move all the stuff in there and it's done. What I really need to do, though, is clean out the kitchen cupboards, since I'm probably not going to have another opportunity for the next five years. I will start tomorrow, I will start tomorrow, I will start tomorrow...

DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep Mon 30-Jun-14 20:02:28

I don't believe it. I've lost dt2's precious filthy comforter. I am ringing round places we've been now. Needless to say he's awake...

AnotherStitchInTime Mon 30-Jun-14 20:29:25

Aw dreaming sympathies that happened to us recently, hope you track it down.

HearMyRoar Mon 30-Jun-14 20:31:57

Oh no dreaming! Disaster! I hope you find it. We have 2 of dd's comfort toy thankfully, just in case.

I have a question for elph. I am at the standing at the door stage now and dd, being the little tike that she is sort of slides out of bed and then ambles about the room. Now, do I put her back at that point or do I leave her to it unless she comes to the door?

HearMyRoar Mon 30-Jun-14 20:32:04


HearMyRoar Mon 30-Jun-14 20:34:58

Hmm.. Not sure what happened there.

I meant to say from the last thread, I was a terrible sleeper and my mum says she would often find me snuggled up with my older sister or one of my brothers in the morning. smile

PoppyAmex Mon 30-Jun-14 20:40:40

I'm still going through last thread at snail's pace, thanks for the recap Elph and congratulations, I just realised you are expecting!

Haven't read all, but so far, musing:

- Who/what Ann is? Do I need her/one in my life?
- Is Bald ok?
- Did I read correctly and Dreaming is actually considering procreating again? shock You truly embody triumph of hope over experience, you brave brave woman grin
In fact, I can't believe so many of us decided to have another baby after the delightful experience that is sleep deprivation.
- Are all the original babies now sleeping in beds? <gulp>

HearMyRoar Mon 30-Jun-14 22:07:36

Hello poppy! I am pretty sure I am the only sane person on this thread, sticking to the one. See, I learn grin

Ann is the sleep consultant who replaced elph's non-sleeping ds with a creepily perfect sleeping toddler. Its a very convincing copy though. She is now working on dreaming's hord. I am skint so just stealing free advice smile

ElphabaTheGreen Mon 30-Jun-14 22:26:41

Hear For a couple of nights, put her back a couple of times saying, 'Back to bed, time to sleep' or similar, back or head rub to reassure if she grumbles. After two or three repetitions of this, just let her amble and use the verbal command only every now and again. Lots of kisses and praise when she does it. If it gets ridiculous, this is where I started the non-picking-up nudging back to bed while using the verbal command, gradually reducing the nudging over a few nights. Verbal command only, and nudging if needed, after the first couple of nights so she doesn't get used to the picking up reinforcement of the behaviour.

Poppy This is Ann. DS is in a toddler bed, not a bed bed. It was kind of necessary since he got to the point, pre-Ann, where he was in complete cot refusal. It was like trying to get a cat in the bath. The toddler bed was also a total life-saver when we got to the sleeping on the floor of his room stage of Ann's programme, and it was great when we were doing the play in his room as I could casually chuck toys on there to encourage him to climb onto it, which he did. In extremis, I can even lie on it with him. I luffs it and so does DS.

Dreaming Oh, crap sad I live in terror and horror of losing DS's comfort toy. Terror and horror, I tell you. He's barely allowed to take it downstairs, and never out of the house. I'm seriously considering buying two of whatever we end up getting for DS2 like you have Hear. I've looked for a replica of DS1's, but mum, in a broody mood, bought it for my as yet un-conceived future baby long before DS was born, so it had been discontinued by the time I realised a copy would be advisable. Everything crossed you find it!

ElphabaTheGreen Mon 30-Jun-14 22:59:05

Well, I've ballsed up that link somehow.

Try again.

HearMyRoar Tue 01-Jul-14 07:22:10

Last night she was coming up to me at the door and then just collapsing on the floor and doing the floppy trick. The only thing I could think to do was pick her up and put her back in bed. Took a few goes before she got the message. On the plus side she didn't cry or grumble at all, just got her stuborn face on smile

DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep Tue 01-Jul-14 08:40:06

Thank fucking god I found it. I'd rather lose my purse. Left at the swimming pool where dd had her lesson yesterday. I normally insist persuade dt2 to leave it in the car. I don't always have time, seeing. as I'm always running late, for the tears and tantrums and cat-in-a-box if he's not allowed to take in. We were only just on time for swimming. dt1 wouldn't walk. If dt2 were made to leave it there'd have been huge fuss which I didn't have time for so i stupidly let him bring it . It's a jelly cat comforter. They are still for sale. I bought another. He can spot that imposter at 10 paces and won't even hold it- bearing in mind he loves all soft toys. Neither of my other dc have an attachment to anything like this luckily.

So bedtime.went wrong yesterday. I took them on the road after tea in their bikes. epic fail. dt1 wouldn't turn round. dd too tired, enormous tantrum ended up running off climbing neighbours wall and disappearing into their back garden (with their son she likes). Only realise the comforter is lost at bedtime. dt1 makes huge fuss over me not holding his hand. Disturbs dt2 who dh finally calmed without said rabbit. I snapped shouted 'shut UP' at dt1. dt2 got out 56,7890 times. All took forever. Dispatched dh for the rabbit. Urgh. So was that because of the comforter scenario or because I did an against Ann rules 11am nap?! will repeat today to retry the experiment. hmm oh and mine are all in normal single beds . dt1 has been since 18 months. dt2 as of today, swapping his toddler one. can't remember why now, dh pushed this one forward hmm hmm

DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep Tue 01-Jul-14 08:43:11

poppy I think part of the reason I want another is I wished every day of the boys lives away waiting for be bigger. Even if I had another multiple food intolerance/refluxer I'd push for meds etc sooner so it would be blissful, even though I'd have 4 under 5 <delusional>

BaldHedgehog Tue 01-Jul-14 12:07:40

Hello ladies, will catch up with reading later, just to let you know that DS2 was born this morning weighing 8lb11oz. Hardly made it to the hospital after being woken up by trickle of waters, DS2 born 1 hr 20 mins after arrival. No time for painkillers as 7 cm dilated on arrival, sadly torn quite badly so had to be stitched.Good thing is DS2 unlike his big brother knows what boobs are for and latched on beautifully! Hugs to you all xx

ElphabaTheGreen Tue 01-Jul-14 12:37:38

Congratulations!! gringrinthanksthanks

AnotherStitchInTime Tue 01-Jul-14 16:21:54

Well done bald and congratulations smile xx

HearMyRoar Tue 01-Jul-14 19:54:40

Hurrah for bald and new little hedgehog! May his sleep be always long and deep grin

DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep Tue 01-Jul-14 20:17:54

Congratulations bald and welcome to the world little hedgehog grin What lovely news. 8lb 11, no wonder you were waddlingwink (she says having had grown a 6lb 9 and 5lb 10 baby simultaneously- I can work that waddle! ) I hope your undercarriage heals soon and painlessly and ds2 sleeps most definitely NOT like a baby.

ElphabaTheGreen Thu 03-Jul-14 18:54:53

How go the SMBD plans, Dreaming and Hear?

HearMyRoar Thu 03-Jul-14 19:56:52

Well, I don't like to get too excited but so far so good elph. Had to make a stern face at dh the other night as he wussed out and cuddled her to sleep twice! Tonight, however he has done super and stood resolutely by the door. She was asleep by 7.40.

Last night she sleep in her own bed until 5.40, and the night before we had to go wake her at 6.15. This has never happened, ever! I was genuinely worried something awful had happened. grin

Think we'll do one more night standing by the door and then try and work out how we are going to manage standing outside with the door open. Have to stop the cats going in and cover up ever other window in the flat. Not really sure how its going to work yet confused

DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep Thu 03-Jul-14 20:13:33

DT2 not doing so good at staying in bed but dh just doesn't stay outside for long enough. He stays til he's gone quiet, goes downstairs, doesn't turn the monitor on, I end up passed off as he's on the landing or trying to come into DT1's room so I snap at him (dh)hmm hmm

DT1 went to sleep.with me sat with my back against the wall tonight. which is still only about 2' from.the bed but huge improvement. Taking ages though and u tell him. If he doesn't lie quietly and close his eyes I won't stay with him. Not sure if that's allowed?!?! (*elph*?) He just plays on his bed otherwise though. Not tackled nights yet and I still need to find little lights to put on timer switches to come in so they know it's morning.
I'm knackered though. I'm finding it hard to get to sleep and stay asleep on top of the cosleeping attacks from DT1. Shouldn't whinge, at least .not in the third trimester of pregnancy or feeding a newborn...

Sounds great progress hear hooray for you and SMBD success smile

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