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to ask why you wouldn’t sign the petition?

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CircleSquareCircleSquare Wed 21-Mar-18 18:24:04

The petition set up by Amy Desir (one of the women who self identified as a man to attend a men only swim session) is asking the government to consult women on privacy and dignity that could be removed or impacted by proposed changes to the gender recognition act.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

The petition is merely asking for debate - doesn’t it come to something when women have to petition the government to have to ask to debate their safety?

Most gender critical feminists recognise trans human rights but we don’t want their identity and wishes to be placed above our safety.
I posted on MN recently about my experience of living in a domestic violence refuge as a child and now I was terrified of men, a male bodied person presenting as a female in that safe space would have terrified me and impacted my PTSD more than the other experiences already have.

If you haven’t signed it why not? Please reconsider, if only so both sides can be heard. Of course signing isn’t mandatory and I’m not angry but I would be interested in hearing more.

If you would like to sign it, you can find it here
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118 - your details are kept private. Please consider sharing.

CircleSquareCircleSquare Wed 21-Mar-18 18:24:24

Here is the clicky link
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

SpringHen Wed 21-Mar-18 18:26:09

Because it would not go down well with my employer sad Im too scared to be an out TERF which Im ashamed of, but I gotta pay my bills....

dinosaursandtea Wed 21-Mar-18 18:26:50

Because I genuinely think the whole thing is transphobic as fuck, whether you say it is or not.

glenthebattleostrich Wed 21-Mar-18 18:29:40

dinosaurs, why is debating the impact on women transphobic? Or are you just a misogynistic communist who doesn't believe in any kind of debate?

CircleSquareCircleSquare Wed 21-Mar-18 18:30:49

SpringHen

I get that, it’s why I can’t be on social media with these views. I do believe the government petition site is pretty safe.

Dinosaur
It’s not surprise I don’t share that view. I don’t see how a debate about safety and the abuses of proposed acts could be deemed transphobic. It’s asking to be consulted.

Lovesagin Wed 21-Mar-18 18:31:39

Facts and biology are like soooooooo transphobic n stuff hmm

SpringHen Wed 21-Mar-18 18:32:24

Dinosaurs the petition is about consulting women on changes that affect women

If you are a woman who DOES want TIMs to use womens spaces then this would include your views too.

Its simply asking to be asked and heard.

scaryteacher Wed 21-Mar-18 18:33:24

Signed.

CircleSquareCircleSquare Wed 21-Mar-18 18:34:00

Thanks Scary!

grasspigeons Wed 21-Mar-18 18:34:34

I was frightened to - but I've done it now. I hope it doesn't come back and haunt me.

shartsi Wed 21-Mar-18 18:35:51

Signed

ThroughThickAndThin01 Wed 21-Mar-18 18:35:52

I have no idea why women aren’t interested in signing this. Why wouldn’t you? It’s mind boggling.

ThroughThickAndThin01 Wed 21-Mar-18 18:36:48

Are people really frightened to sign? I’m so sorry, I didn’t realise sad

CircleSquareCircleSquare Wed 21-Mar-18 18:36:57

Thank you to everyone signing it. We stand with you!

TopBitchoftheWitches Wed 21-Mar-18 18:39:25

Signed.

CircleSquareCircleSquare Wed 21-Mar-18 18:39:56

Through yes lots of people are frightened because trans rights activists have violent thugs in their number.

We are at a stage now where women are being shut down and silenced before any law has even been debated in parliament. Imagine what our daughters and nieces will be faced with in years to come if this goes through in the future. Imagine being elderly and in a home and being educated because you don’t want to be cleaned by a man dressed as a woman.

Signing it is our sacrifice.

AnxiousAllTheTimeNow Wed 21-Mar-18 18:41:26

Because some people don't want to align themselves with politics

SapphireandSteele Wed 21-Mar-18 18:41:41

7048 people have signed this. It's not a public social media petition.

Stompythedinosaur Wed 21-Mar-18 18:42:36

Because I genuinely think the whole thing is transphobic as fuck, whether you say it is or not.

This more or less sums up my reason for not signing.

I'm also keen to distance myself from the sensationalist woman who went to the male only swimming session. I don't believe that trans people are lying about their feelings around their gender in order to access single gender areas they couldn't otherwise come into. I think they are, you know, telling the truth about how they feel.

Every time I read one of the numerous anti-trans threads around at the moment I'm reminded of how bigots in the 80s used to talk about gay people - the assumption that they are somehow lying about their feelings in order to cause harm was around then too.

CircleSquareCircleSquare Wed 21-Mar-18 18:42:55

I can understand that anxious but it is anonymous.

AfterSchoolWorry Wed 21-Mar-18 18:42:56

Only reason for me is that I'm Irish, so it's none of my business.

But if I was British I'd be all over it.

Clarabumps Wed 21-Mar-18 18:44:31

Signed and husband signed too!

AnxiousAllTheTimeNow Wed 21-Mar-18 18:45:15

Yes OP I know but regardless of whether it's anonymous or not, some people won't feel comfortable aligning themselves with politics

pilf Wed 21-Mar-18 18:45:54

Transwomen have been signing it too and saying it's needed.

Are they transphobic? confused

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