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Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

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Considermesometimes Wed 06-Nov-19 09:20:04

I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

OverUnderSidewaysDown Wed 06-Nov-19 09:22:14

biscuit

Inforthelonghaul Wed 06-Nov-19 09:23:42

I don’t know OP, I have no faith in any of our current politicians to actually do what’s best for us as a country but nothing scares me as much as JC becoming PM and implementing their agenda.

Armi Wed 06-Nov-19 09:24:22

Not sure why you got biscuited there, OP. I agree with what you’re saying. I’m lost, too.

Iwantacookie Wed 06-Nov-19 09:26:15

What about those poor fuckers on uc?
Hard working nurses, teachers etc using food banks?
Hes trying to protect the most vulnerable as it should be.

Georug Wed 06-Nov-19 09:27:56

Yes, where is this 200 billion to nationalise everything going to come from? I’m worried too OP and I can’t vote Tory so that leaves me with no options

berringer Wed 06-Nov-19 09:30:21

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RhinoskinhaveI Wed 06-Nov-19 09:31:08

We need a progressive approach to take us into the future not a dinosaur to regress us to the 1970s

Dapplegrey Wed 06-Nov-19 09:31:28

Op your family sound extremely intolerant if they kick a family member out of the house for having a different view to them.
They’ll be right at home under Corbyn.

AutumnRose1 Wed 06-Nov-19 09:32:48

I'm really interested in your thread OP

last election I had a neighbour tell me she had voted Tory and she was desperately upset and couldn't tell her family, her ancestors would be turning in their graves etc etc but she was convinced Corbyn wasn't really meaning what he said and actually wanted a massive land grab etc.

I'll be honest - I thought she was a bit mad. But after his comments on private schools, I'm not sure.

I don't think it matters about the politics of the family. Mine were split down the middle over Brexit. In the end, we have to make our own choices.

ChilledBee Wed 06-Nov-19 09:32:58

I'm voting labour because I want a more equal society in Britain and I'm more confident that this Labour Government shares my views (I haven't been confident about that for a long time).

Policies by JC will either make my family poorer (small chance) or make it harder for us to use what we have now to get richer (big chance), but equality is of more importance to me than giving my children more social privilege. The only thing I am very concerned about in their regard is racism and I think things could improve in that respect with a Labour Government.

And before you all chime in with cries of antisemitism, 2 things. 1) I believe the current Labour party is as antisemitic and racist as general society (which is quite antisemitic and racist) 2) while related, antisemitism is different to racism in that my children aren't a visible target for antisemitism (selfish parent mode). So any comments along that line are pointless.

MrsMaiselsMuff Wed 06-Nov-19 09:33:08

90% of what you've posted there is complete nonsense.

No one is going to seize your assets and home. Where have you got that from?

There are not going to be massive tax rises. Unless you earn over £85,000, you won't be affected at all.

The privatisation of utilities would be done over decades, not years. They're more interested in rail companies, which can be done at little cost when the current operator contracts run out. Rather than retendering, the services are brought in house, as the North East line already has.

Private schools would only close when there has been sufficient investment in state schools to take the capacity. Again, it's a very long term project, not overnight.

Please stop with this silly hype. If you're genuinely concerned then look at the manifesto when it is released, or look at the last one. None of your claimed fears are true.

Babdoc Wed 06-Nov-19 09:33:44

I have never understood how a man with one o level was deemed intellectually competent to lead a party, never mind a country. (Although I suppose compared to Diane Abbot’s grasp of arithmetic, he is an intellectual giant...)
And that’s without adding the antisemitism and budget busting policies to the mix.
I live in the most marginal constituency in the whole of Scotland, (27 majority) so am duty bound to vote Conservative to try and oust the wretched SNP with their threats of a second independence referendum. Many of us up here will be forced to use similar tactical voting to get the SNP out.

AutumnRose1 Wed 06-Nov-19 09:34:21

Also, for me, Labour is happy to erase women.....so can't vote for them.

PhilSwagielka Wed 06-Nov-19 09:35:02

I'm Jewish, and I'm still voting Labour because I'm sick of living under a government with so little regard for human life. I'm well enough to work but there's always the fear that if I become too ill to work, I won't be able to claim benefits. Our PM is a racist piece of shit.

Corbyn won't get in anyway, so chill.

MrsMaiselsMuff Wed 06-Nov-19 09:35:38

Here's a calculator explaining how Labour's tax plans would affect you.

calculate.forlabour.com/

AutumnRose1 Wed 06-Nov-19 09:36:02

ChilledBee "The only thing I am very concerned about in their regard is racism and I think things could improve in that respect with a Labour Government."

that's interesting. As a non white woman, I feel it got worse because of Labour policies and that also puts me off voting Labour.

recrudescence Wed 06-Nov-19 09:36:41

I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

Using the poem ‘Sunny Prestatyn’ as inspiration, I am going to spoil my ballot paper.

BertrandRussell Wed 06-Nov-19 09:36:43

Ooh look. Another one. Well done, CCO!

A little tip- maybe a bit of variety would be good?

MrsMaiselsMuff Wed 06-Nov-19 09:37:09

Also, for me, Labour is happy to erase women.....so can't vote for them.

There are more female Labour members than there are men, they've also got more female MPs than any other party. We're not being erased.

MrsMaiselsMuff Wed 06-Nov-19 09:39:56

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JustAnotherPoster00 Wed 06-Nov-19 09:42:08

Isnt it standard format now akin to the I voted Remain but now want Brexit posts, the appeal to authority that you have always voted Labour but now that theyve brought in traditional Labour policies that will benefit the lower rungs of our 'rich' society that makes you unable to vote for Labour hmm

Considermesometimes Wed 06-Nov-19 09:42:36

I am not an intern whoever said that!! I have been on MN for years and have no been in education since I was 18 years old confused

I am massively stressed about this. I don't think Jeremy is going to make our society more equal by closing down schools or privatising companies. I genuinely don't. Investment in our schools will even the playing field, but not by closing down fee paying schools because the burden on our already struggling education system will be enormous. Where is the plan for this to be a success? It is just a thoughtless policy without any real understanding of how it would ever work.

I read in the Guardian about the cost privatising the Utilities. It seems to be costed by the CBI, so a reputable source. I have checked and it is definitely 200 billion. I have dug out the link:

www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/14/labour-plans-for-utilities-would-cost-the-uk-200bn-says-cbi

Mistlewoeandwhine Wed 06-Nov-19 09:43:02

Is that you Jo?
I’m voting Labour, as is everyone I know bar two people. We’re voting Labour because
1) Their Brexit position is mature and the least divisive
2) They will undo some of the ravages created by neoliberal attitudes of the last few governments
3) Their position is caring for ordinary people ( see I, Daniel Blake)
4) Our lives will be better under Labour
5) No selling off the NHS

JustAnotherPoster00 Wed 06-Nov-19 09:44:53

CBI admits error in £196bn price tag for Labour plans

www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/16/cbi-admits-error-in-196bn-price-tag-for-labour-plans

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